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July 31, 2009 The Fine Line Between Fact & Fiction, author Gary Buslik guest host

The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on July 31, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion The Fine Line Between Fact and Fiction. Guest host was Gary Buslik, aka @rottenperson, author of A Rotten Person Travels the Caribbean.

LitChat Welcome to #litchat. We’re talking with @rottenperson today. Step into the salon and welcome Gary. #Litchat -12:58 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 Hello Gary! #litchat -1:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
deegospel joinin #litchat in ten who’s coming? -1:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @corb21 Hey. #LitChat -1:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson Hello Mr. Rotten #litchat -1:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon Hey. Thanks for coming. #LitChat -1:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TaraStaley I’m checking in, hello to all, welcome rottenperson! #LitChat -1:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VanessaDobbs Hi Gary #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
deegospel Hi, Gary @rottenperson #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Hi Gary. This is second time I’ve said hello, but first one got lost. Clearly, it needs a travel guide. #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana It needs a health care plan. #LitChat -1:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor Hi Gary, moderate away @rottenperson. #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @rottenperson: Hi Rotten. What are we chatting about today? Still fact/fiction? #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana LOL ! RT @rottenperson: @maggiedana It needs a health care plan. #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson How would you define so-called creative nonfiction? #LitChat -1:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo yes, inspire me peeps #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LitChat Gary’s book, A ROTTEN PERSON TRAVELS THE CARIBBEAN is like a sit-com between book covers. #Litchat -1:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson: How would you define so-called creative nonfiction? Non-fiction with a soul. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee It has a plan — coverage was denied! RT @maggiedana: LOL ! RT @rottenperson: @maggiedana It needs a health care plan. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo I would call it absolute embellishment: Frey’s A Million Little Pieces #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Um, a real-life story that isn’t boring, for an opener. #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Lies? RT @rottenperson: How would you define so-called creative nonfiction? #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson Creative-non fiction is narrative of events that are real and told in non journalist manner #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana RT @murzee: It has a plan — coverage was denied! — You’re an evil one, Ms. Grinch! #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana OK, but suppose you were teaching a creative nonfiction course to beginners. Something basic and to the point. #LitChat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Is there a difference between creative and creative license? #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson for beginners just tell them all fact is fiction #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson Oh jeez, I’d make a terrible teacher, esp. of creative non-fic. It’ll take me rest of day to frame suitable response. #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo True Crime, as in Truman Capote’s In Cold Blood #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @TwinkleChar Excellent. How about license to the extent that a reasonably intelligent reader would be in on your wiggle room? #LitChat -1:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Those of you on TweetChat? Did your background go wonky? My carefully constructed Photoshop image has vanished. #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee What the Rpubs r saying about universal #healthcare? RT @rottenperson: How would you define so-called creative nonfiction? #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson Wiggle room? What the …? You teaching erotica or creative non-fiction, here? #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian My responses in #litchat aren’t showing up. :S -1:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon It’s true, nonfiction writers choose what “facts” to put in and leave out. So by definition no writing is objective. #LitChat -1:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo perhaps the addition of drama rather than textbook fact makes creative nonfiction #litchat -1:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @rottenperson Like it. Yep. Like it. But then, some readers want to buy into anything you tell them. #LitChat -1:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson #litchat When 2 people recount the same event & one is funny, does humor aspect make it feel less factual or more? #litchat -1:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
linc0lnpark OK, SO YOU’LL NEVER HEAR MY F-BOMBS @ BORDERS – LOL: R Bookstores Being 2 Censorious w/ Author Events? http://ow.ly/iJO7 #books #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @marcygordon Depends if humor sounds “over the top”–even if the facts are. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @marcygordon I’ll plump for the humorous one every time. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
elizabethbuchan @marcygordon Less although there is no logical reason #Litchat -1:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @elizabethbuchan exactly #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
elizabethbuchan @maggiedana Hi Maggie Thank you for inviting me in #Litchat -1:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @TwinkleChar That’s why I said “reasonable” readers. #LitChat -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @rottenperson @TwinkleChar That’s why I said “reasonable” readers. #LitChat http://bit.ly/1RrcfI -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @elizabethbuchan @maggiedana Hi Maggie Thank you for inviting me in #Litchat http://bit.ly/EeMPn -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @elizabethbuchan @marcygordon Less although there is no logical reason #Litchat http://bit.ly/M0izF -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @maggiedana @marcygordon I’ll plump for the humorous one every time. #litchat http://bit.ly/uZ1qI -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @TwinkleChar @marcygordon Depends if humor sounds “over the top”–even if the facts are. #litchat http://bit.ly/JM06w -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @mciddangelo perhaps the addition of drama rather than textbook fact makes creative nonfiction #litchat http://bit.ly/NJLaY -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @herstorian My responses in #litchat aren’t showing up. :S http://bit.ly/coJmY -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @maggiedana @rottenperson Wiggle room? What the …? You teaching erotica or creative non-fiction, here? #litchat http://bit.ly/16k9Qs -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson Does your humor get doubted as factual? #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @rottenperson Gottcha. And I think you’ve nailed your own question. Now what? #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian RT @rottenperson @TwinkleChar How about license to the extent that a reasonably intelligent reader would be in on your wiggle room? #LitChat -1:15 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @bestofchat Um, we love you, too, but please do interrupt #LITCHAT sessions. #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon #litchat reading for pure entertainment purpose i don’t care 2 much about fact/fiction line. But if I’m rewiring my electrical box I care! -1:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @herstorian I think you can legitimately get away with a lot, as long as your readers get the joke. Otherwise, no. #LitChat -1:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
FIRSTmagLISA No room for everything in a story arc. @rottenperson @marcygordon Nonfiction writers choose what “facts” to put in and leave out. #LitChat -1:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon Well, I’ve failed anyone who thinks my humor is factual. #LitChat -1:17 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @marcygordon Unless, of course, your rewiring instructions were written in New Guinea. #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian Trying again: Creative non-fiction = true events described using fictional devices; shaping a story around facts. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana What I dislike about some non-fic history I read is the author’s assumption of dialogue that never happened. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio @herstorian historical fiction? #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @herstorian I like this. How would you define “story” here? #LitChat -1:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 I like creative non-fiction that takes real events and adds to them… not those that blow them out of perportion. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana An intro. disclaimer would be good. #LitChat -1:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 as a reader I like to believe this COULD be the truth. Faction is a great word for it. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @herstorian no, that, I believe is describing a novelization of true events #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar I write nonfic humor and tell truth, but some still think I exaggerate for the sake of humor.Doesn’t matter.Laughter is good. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books Evening #litchat – trying to join in via phone so this may, or may not, work ! -1:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson story= narrative with meaning. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon Even a newspaper story has facts that are left out or highlighted. Is that not shaping? #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF I loved Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil for reading like a novel but being nonfiction. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson To elaborate on dialogue: it really jars when it doesn’t fit scene or characters, when it doesn’t ring true. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 I’d say building more than shaping creates good creative non-fiction. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor OK. So the author has to manipulate the facts to create meaning. Yes. That’s the art. #LitChat -1:21 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana That’s bad writing. The spell is broken. #LitChat -1:21 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee “factually accurate prose about real people and events—in a compelling, vivid manner” –Lee Gutkind #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 ONCE UPON A FARM does a nice job of making the reader feel it happened…and leaves them questioning what didn’t. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana You just hit nail on head. RT @rottenperson: @maggiedana That’s bad writing. The spell is broken. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon Yes, and sometimes even these are written for emotional effect. #LitChat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Good one. RT @murzee: “factually accurate prose about real people and events—in a compelling, vivid manner” –Lee Gutkind #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 @rottenperson, ahh yes, the spell is the key. That’s exactly what creative non-fiction is, a spell. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @corb21 Did that work for you? #LitChat -1:22 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @rottenperson=devil’s advocate. GO LINDSEY! #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson. Not manipulate. But choices, to show theme, meaning to a major character, meaning in cultural context, etc. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon What about you Gary? What about your Idi Amin story ? Fact vs Fiction? #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF “Manipulate facts to create meaning”..I like that. Storytelling but with the truth or at least the facts to create truth. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo story is expressionistic retelling of events, real or imaginary. woop-bang! #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @corb21 Isn’t all good writing a spell? #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 @rottenperson I’m under your spell…. #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon All the pieces in this book were essentially true, but I fictionalized for comedic purposes. Hope they’re obvious. #LitChat -1:25 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @mciddangelo: What is “a novelization of true events”? #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @TwinkleChar Yes, and the art is not to break it. Easier said than done, yes? #LitChat -1:25 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 @TwinkleChar All good writing that encorporates fictional elements…I’m not sure spells exist for “real life” events, ie newsprint #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon John Gardner identified fiction as sustaining a dream state. #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 RT @mciddangelo story is expressionistic retelling of events, real or imaginary. woop-bang! #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Wonderful bit in SCIENCE MADE STUPID about manipulating data to fit hypothesis, or something similar. Hilarious book. Out of print. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee creative non-fiction=cooking your data (he-he science geek humor) #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @VictoriaMixon Yes. A reader will believe almost anything as long as you don’t remind her it’s all made up. #LitChat -1:26 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @corb21 RT @mciddangelo story is expressionistic retelling of events, real or imaginary. woop-bang! #litchat http://bit.ly/AMYfF -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @VictoriaMixon John Gardner identified fiction as sustaining a dream state. #litchat http://bit.ly/A0Jva -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @herstorian @mciddangelo: What is “a novelization of true events”? #litchat http://bit.ly/qep16 -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @corb21 @rottenperson I’m under your spell…. #litchat http://bit.ly/24dwFA -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @TwinkleChar @corb21 Isn’t all good writing a spell? #litchat http://bit.ly/4pGJp -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @mciddangelo story is expressionistic retelling of events, real or imaginary. woop-bang! #litchat http://bit.ly/I8v0H -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @marcygordon What about you Gary? What about your Idi Amin story ? Fact vs Fiction? #litchat http://bit.ly/3wAEKR -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @TwinkleChar @rottenperson=devil’s advocate. GO LINDSEY! #litchat http://bit.ly/5ZFZ6 -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
bestofchat RT @rottenperson @corb21 Did that work for you? #LitChat http://bit.ly/11LG0H -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @herstorian “novel” in itself is fiction – so, to fictionalize a fact. Hmm, does that make sense? #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Is @bestofchat a spambot? #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
elizabethbuchan @VictoriaMixon any be reading but doesn’t feel like that writing it! #Litchat -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @corb21 OK, but “expressionistic” leaves room for lots of lying. #LitChat -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TaraStaley good Q–kind of sounds like those books that fictionalize something that really happened in history ie Loving Frank by Nancy Horan #LitChat -1:27 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF I loved “The House of God” by Samuel Shem which was fiction but not really. Fictionalized nonfiction for obvious reasons. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio can’t you take a fact and weave a fiction around it, but keep the fact real? #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner Yeah! I made it. Better late than never. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VanessaDobbs how come best of chat tweets show but all mine are disappearing? #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson Were you ever in the same room with Idi Amin and Princess Di? Your book makes it seem possible #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books @herstorian and does it hv to be specific event or an everyday occurance – like story depicting everyday injustice/reality #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 31st, 2009
elizabethbuchan @Vanessa Dobbs same here #Litchat -1:29 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon Yes. The only things I completely made up in my book were the acknowledgements. I don’t really want to thank anyone. #LitChat -1:30 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar If *I am in writing “spell,” (hours fly by, I laugh and cry) usually so is reader. Others? #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @Vigorio Yes, yes. As long as the reader understands the game. #LitChat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian Seems so, yes. I’ve been wondering. RT @murzee Is @bestofchat a spambot? #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @bestofchat your bombardment of tweets are more like bestofshat take it easy please. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Less a dream state than a chain gang. @elizabethbuchan @VictoriaMixon any be reading but doesn’t feel like that writing it! #Litchat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @rottenperson expressionism is merely POV, right? Telling stories is an expressionistic art …? #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Is that not just fiction? RT @Vigorio: cant you take a fact and weave a fiction around it, but keep the fact real? #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @rottenperson that is hilarious about the acknowledgments. I thought I was the only one who did that. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF @rottenperson That’s naughty…no acknowledgments?! ha, ha. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee @ Twitter: Please deactivate @bestofchat bot! #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor The Nieman Conference on Narrative Journalism teaches the art of story with meticulous attention to veracity as reporters. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Question: does On Becoming a Novelist count as creative nonfiction because it’s so entertaining to read? #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 (add #litchat to the end so it shows up) RT @trftrf02 I write fiction and I think it’s all factual -1:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @murzee Creative nonfiction? #LitChat -1:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana RT @murzee: @ Twitter: Please deactivate @bestofchat bot! #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee What’s the question? RT @rottenperson: @murzee Creative nonfiction? #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @mciddangelo Right. But in true storytelling, if you believe the events, you’re probably four years old. #LitChat -1:34 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @VictoriaMixon that’s the spirit! I think the same way about politics and the media #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @murzee I forgot. My head hurts. #LitChat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @VanessaDobbs you had the same issue last week. I see your chats but I also follow you. Hmmm. #litchat #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF @spam bestofchat is a spam bot? Please stop them from interrupting #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson its the in telling though, not the events? #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana It’s Friday. You’re forgiven. RT @rottenperson: @murzee I forgot. My head hurts. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Tylenol? Is it covered? Better break out G&T instead RT @rottenperson: @murzee I forgot. My head hurts. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson I have wanted to believe many stories. But upon further research, they were not. Sometimes it sounds too good to be. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee @bestofchat seems to be my biggest fan! #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @murzee Stock up. May not be covered soon. #LitChat -1:37 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar There is an assumption in our conversation that the storyteller knows the exact truth. 2 stories tellers=two truths. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon I just advice a children’s historical fantasy client about this. Alter the facts, and you just taught a generation wrong. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @murzee enjoy it while you can! Spambot or not. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner The author really has to be upfront whether it’s fact, fiction, or something in between. #LitChat -1:38 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Maybe off the market soon… RT @rottenperson: @murzee Stock up. May not be covered soon. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 31st, 2009
SighWTF RT @rottenperson Right. But in true storytelling, if you believe the events, you’re probably four years old. #LitChat What? History books? -1:38 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @VictoriaMixon But tell the facts as you “knew them” back then, and later learnthey changed. Case in point: food pyramid. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @VictoriaMixon But how much of what we learned is wrong also? MOST history books in school have altered info. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor Nieman Conference is suspended for 2010 but follow them @niemanstory. I’ve learned so much. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon But the genres these days are so convoluted. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio @VictoriaMixon doesn’t history itself get altered depending on viewpoint and distance from event? #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian No, sorry. RT @mciddangelo @herstorian “novel” in itself is fiction – so, to fictionalize a fact. Hmm, does that make sense? #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor We agree! RT @rottenperson: @AndreaGardner The author really has to be upfront whether its fact, fiction, or something in between. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @SighWTF That’s not what I mean by storytelling. I mean fiction. #LitChat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee everything is evolving, even the truth #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @TwinkleChar Don’t get me started on that stupid food pyramid that was created by the grain lobby. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian Agreed! @rottenperson @AndreaGardner The author really has to be upfront whether it’s fact, fiction, or something in between. #LitChat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @Vigorio Sure, but a good teacher will point that out to her students. And an adult reader ought to know that. #LitChat -1:40 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar RT @murzee: everything is evolving, even the truth #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @herstorian I think it’s trying to classify the ‘in between’ books that cause problems. Where to shelve, how to publicize, etc. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Absolutely. Much of “anthrology” from the 60s in scientists’ personal bias. @Vigorio doesn’t history itself get altered? #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson I love ya but storytelling isn’t fiction. Fiction is storytelling, but storytelling can be reported fact. Just terms. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson I want to get back to creative nonfiction. Is this an increasingly popular genre? If so, why? #LitChat -1:43 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Should I blame thunder-rumbles for Twitter telling me ‘Something’s gone wrong’? #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books @VictoriaMixon #litchat generations are taught ‘wrong’ whole time as morality and acceprable views change so does history eg colonisation ? -1:43 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor Right. I stand corrected. But storytelling can be creative nonfiction, yes? #LitChat -1:44 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LindseyOConnor Trouble is, when people say ‘storytelling’ it takes us to childhood and being admonished for telling lies. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor In other words, what makes some nonfiction storytelling more compelling than others? #LitChat -1:44 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson #litchat in your story Weed Killer you cover the cockfights. How did that shape facts being that you are bird lover? #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dimeotane #LitChat Just jumping in here: an interesting book “Dictionary of the Khazars” by Milorad Pavich has that blend of fact & fiction -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Heck yeah @Best_Books #litchat generations are taught ‘wrong’ as morality and acceprable views change so does history eg colonisation ? -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor RT @rottenperson: @LindseyOConnor Right. I stand corrected. But storytelling can be creative nonfiction, yes? >Absolutely. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana “Stop telling stories,” or “Don’t tell stories.” Remember being scolded for that? #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio @maggiedana or mythology like tales around the campfire #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books @rottenperson because people can relate more directly to narrative? Also pre-knowledge breeds further interest #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @LindseyOConnor Agree, but perhaps it’s just word “usage” for the sake of this conversation.(was that a story? fact? fiction?) #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @Best_Books that’s the goal of any generation: let’s warp the children! #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor RT @rottenperson: @LindseyOConnor In other words, what makes some nonfiction storytelling more compelling than others?>Skill. Craft #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @Vigorio: The profession of history is all about disagreement. Historians argue, and out of that consensus (or not) is born. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 @murzee the truth is out there #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana If I suddenly disappear, blame the storm that’s creeping ever closer. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Creative nonfiction’s been around for eons. The name is new. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @herstorian In History sometimes a fact is a lie you believe #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @maggiedana Are you telling us a storm story just to creep us out? 🙂 #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon But we read to learn about being human. So teaching as storytelling appeals to that need. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor Some nonfiction storytelling is more compelling than others bc of skill w/fiction techniques used. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 31st, 2009
deegospel @LindseyOConnor I gotcha. Growing up my great grandparents told us stories of their lives every night. good storytelling #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 31st, 2009
deegospel @LindseyOConnor I gotcha. Growing up my great grandparents told us stories of their lives every night. good storytelling #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @herstorian Depending on the audience. In the Caribbean, former slaves had to read European, not African, history as truth. Eeww. #LitChat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Nope. It’s so dark I can’t see my keyboard. RT @TwinkleChar: @maggiedana Are you telling us a storm story just to creep us out? 🙂 #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor RT @VictoriaMixon: But we read to learn about being human. So teaching as storytelling appeals to that need.>Why I love the genre. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo Creative Nonfiction: I would call that creative marketing. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VanessaDobbs yes RT marcygordon @herstorian In History sometimes a fact is a lie you believe #litchat #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner Sadly so. RT @marcygordon: @herstorian In History sometimes a fact is a lie you believe #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson Humans think and learn metaphorically. That’s what I’m getting at. Good writing knows and exploits that. #LitChat -1:50 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio kids learn and remember history better from a historically correct novel than a textbook #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books @rottenperson #litchat and africa & asia were taught the importance of colonialists in ‘civilising’ their societies. -1:51 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner In History, how much of a lie was easier to believe and pass on to our children? #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson Yes, and metaphor elevates, adds beauty, literary value. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dimeotane #litchat “in Sri Lanka a well-told lie is worth a thousand facts” ~ Michael Ondaatje #quote -1:52 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @rottenperson Now that made me have to read your book. You’re good! #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 31st, 2009
murzee Lincolnesque RT @rottenperson: Humans think and learn metaphorically. Thats what Im getting at. Good writing knows and exploits th #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana OH somewhere. Write a piece with no adjectives and no adverbs, but with metaphor and simile. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor Yes. That’s what I’m trying to say. So creative nonfiction, in my opinion, is very valuable. #LitChat -1:52 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VanessaDobbs @Vigorio so do adults (this one especially) LOL #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana Ergo: poetry. Too bad it’s out of fashion. #LitChat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon What we KNOW is our own experience, a context for understanding new info @rottenperson metaphorically @Best_Books pre-knowledge #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist Historians are creative, too. The Second World War was totally rewritten when the archives opened up in 1945 #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor Very! RT @rottenperson: @LindseyOConnor Yes. Thats what Im trying to say. So creative nonfiction, in my opinion, is very valuable. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @TwinkleChar Why, thank you. #LitChat -1:53 PM Jul 31st, 2009
niemanstory Did interview today with an author about the “rough edges of memory” making it hard to write the “truth” cleanly http://tr.im/uWpy #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Twuoted #litchat “in Sri Lanka a well-told lie is worth a thousand facts” ~ Michael Ondaatje #quote – Thx 2 @dimeotane -1:54 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dosankodebbie Unfortunately yes RT @AndreaGardner @marcygordon: @herstorian In History sometimes a fact is a lie you believe #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson Metaphor is what we crave. Think of the Bible. #LitChat -1:54 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books @rottenperson #litchat hence use of more imaginative ‘fictional’ teaching methods in ‘factual’ subjects-eg alien stories 2 teach astronomy! -1:55 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dimeotane RT @Vigorio: Who wrote the textbook, the winning or losing army, gives different ‘truth #LitChat -1:55 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @danish_novelist WW II continues to be rewritten as more and more records are released. I remember learning about Bletchley Park. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @danish_novelist But the Anne Frank Diary is still the best literature to come out of the war. Because it’s written metaphorically. #LitChat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
blackauthors @LindseyOConnor Or to experience the inhuman. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson Now that you mention it, the Bible is full of metaphor. Cliches, too. Someone should smack those writers. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @rottenperson oh gosh, if we’re getting into religion, there’s a whole jungle of politics lying before us! #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @maggiedana I was brought up thinking that all Danes fought the Nazis. Hardly any one did until 1943 #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass RT @VictoriaMixon: John Gardner identified fiction as sustaining a dream state. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
corb21 @rottenperson yup, dates back to parables in the Bible. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @Best_Books I’ll agree with that. As long as fiction isn’t purported to be non. #LitChat -1:56 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Anne Frank’s diary is metaphorical? It’s her daily life. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Sometimes distance lends “enchantment” to the view; sometimes it brings clarity. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 31st, 2009
blackauthors RT @rottenperson: Humans think and learn metaphorically. Thats what Im getting at. Good writing knows and exploits that. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson speaking of the bible…am I the only one here that read your book? #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @danish_novelist I was brought up thinking Churchill walked on water. My Tory dad would turn in grave if he knew I was a liberal. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @VictoriaMixon that’s a good point. It *has* become metaphorical as time passes. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @rottenperson I would say Anne Frank is great because of her voice, not because of her style #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 31st, 2009
amgamble @danish_novelist @maggiedana From some books, you’d think all of France was in the Resistance. Vichy, what’s that? #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon Oh, I finally found the person who actually read it. Thanks. #LitChat -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
blackauthors RT @Twuoted: #litchat “in Sri Lanka a well-told lie is worth a thousand facts” ~ Michael Ondaatje #quote – Thx 2 @dimeotane #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian Agreed. Bias (personal, instit’n’l) is ever-present. RT @marcygordon: @herstorian In History sometimes a fact is a lie you believe #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @danish_novelist Good point about overuse of metaphor from beginners. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson #litchat off topic but what is the appeal of the carribbean for you? Have you ever considered living there? -1:59 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Anne Frank’s work is beautiful because it is factual and unsentimental, but completely human. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @danish_novelist And because when she describes this or that event, she means all of humanity, I think. That’s powerful. #LitChat -2:00 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson Your about page alone made me want to read your book. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @Best_Books Yeah, history is fluid. Some people got angry at my version of Peter the Great in The Tsar’s Dwarf #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @marcygordon No, because, although rudimentary, I have a brain that likes to be stimulated once in a while. #LitChat -2:01 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @danish_novelist Living in Germany taught me fictional and non-fictional views on history. Some shocked me others not so much. #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor Maybe better talk to marcygordon first. #LitChat -2:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
amgamble @maggiedana Vichy is the water after St. Churchill walked on it. #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Wow. I’ll bet. #LitChat -2:02 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo RT could we also argue that Homer’s recounting of the Trojan War was creative nonfiction, then, in the Iliad? #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @amgamble Not sure what this means, but I like it. #LitChat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
marcygordon @rottenperson Time is up put your pencils down. I gotta go now. Thanks for a great chat Mr. Rotten #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
DavidRozansky I missed #litchat again. Sigh. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner In my family 2 RT @blackauthors: RT @Twuoted: #litchat “in Sri Lanka a well-told lie is worth a thousand facts” ~ Michael Ondaatje #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana This is priceless. RT @amgamble: @maggiedana Vichy is the water after St. Churchill walked on it. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian Agreed, historical fiction A++. @Vigorio: kids learn and remember history better from a historically correct novel than a textbook #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @rottenperson In fiction you “only” have to describe one person’s suffering to describe humanity’s #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Depends upon how close he stuck to the facts @mciddangelo Homer’s recounting of the Trojan War was creative nonfiction? #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor I don’t mean stylistic metaphor. I mean, our brains learn and enjoy metaphorically. It’s in our DNA. #LitChat -2:04 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dimeotane @rottenperson Anne Frank’s diary continues to be powerful because of her honesty. Did she ever intend anyone to read it?? #LitChat -2:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Back to embracing the spell, so that I can write it. Bye and thanks, rottenperson. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar RT @danish_novelist: @rottenperson In fiction you “only” have to describe one persons suffering to describe humanitys #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @dimeotane Can you imagine how great she might have been? #LitChat -2:05 PM Jul 31st, 2009
mciddangelo @VictoriaMixon I think you would understand how Anne Frank’s Dioary would become metaphorical as time passes, then. #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LitChat We’ve passed the 1-hour our guest host promised us today. We need to graciously let him go, but if he wants to continue… #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @TwinkleChar Exactly. Our brains not only get it, they love drawing their own conclusions. That’s why we love symbolism. #LitChat -2:06 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @vigorio I do SO agree about learning history from fact-based fiction than history texts which are still, even today, deadly dull. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LitChat @rottenperson Please stick around to continue if you have the time. But if you need to move on, we understand. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @AndreaGardner History pretends it’s scientific, but often it’s misguided patriotism #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LitChat Don’t you jut hate having to play Mommy and stop the kids talking after lights out? #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson Anyone who wants to e-mail me can, at arottenperson@earthlink.net. Great being here. I’ll stick around for a while. #LitChat -2:08 PM Jul 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar RT @danish_novelist: @AndreaGardner History pretends its scientific, but often its misguided patriotism #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 31st, 2009
BookingIt Once my daughter is back in school in the fall, I hope to rejoin #litchat, which currently occurs while I am driving to summer activities! -2:08 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana RT @danish_novelist: @AndreaGardner History pretends its scientific, but often its misguided patriotism #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio @danish_novelist history textbooks should have a disclaimer – this is the truth for now #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson Do you live somewhere warm, sunny, and exotic? #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LitChat @maggiedana Yes. I hate being the wet chat-blanket. That’s why I extend the invitation for our guests to continue. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner Right you are. RT @danish_novelist: @AndreaGardner History pretends its scientific, but often its misguided patriotism #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana Chicago. You tell me. #LitChat -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Best_Books RT @danish_novelist In fiction u “only” hv 2 describe 1person’s suffering 2describe humanitys #litchat Not always case?But fab sentiment! -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
amgamble @maggiedana @vigorio But reading fact-based fiction, in the back of my mind, I’m wondering, which part is the fiction? #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LitChat LOL. Wet chat-blanket. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @danish_novelist So how will our children write our history? #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Erm, nope. RT @rottenperson: @maggiedana Chicago. You tell me. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @rottenperson: Thanks so much for the interesting chat! I’ll definitely check out your book. Sounds intriguing. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Depends what you mean by “our.” Whoever wins. #LitChat -2:11 PM Jul 31st, 2009
Vigorio @amgamble that’s why I combined text with novel when teaching #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dimeotane RT @herstorian: @rottenperson: Thanks so much for the interesting chat! #litchat <<Thankyou, very interesting! I must join in again soon! -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @herstorian Thanks. You were good. #LitChat -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner Something to make you think- If Anne Frank knew we would read her diary would she have written it differently? #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson @Vigorio I like that. #LitChat -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon They’re writing it in their minds now. @AndreaGardner @danish_novelist So how will our children write our history? #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana Bye @murzee. See you soon. #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner RT @rottenperson: @AndreaGardner Depends what you mean by “our.” Whoever wins. < 😉 > #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson Got to go, guys. Want to get in a jog before winter gets here. Chicago. #LitChat -2:13 PM Jul 31st, 2009
rottenperson Bye and thanks. #LitChat -2:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana It’s on the way. Wrap warm. RT @rottenperson: Got to go, guys. Want to get in a jog before winter gets here. Chicago. #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson Thank you for hosting! It was interesting. #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass RT @AndreaGardner: Something to make you think- If Anne Frank knew we would read her diary would she have written it differently? #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 31st, 2009
AndreaGardner I’m off to enjoy my guests. Thanks all for making me think. #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @rottenperson And thanks for a wonderful litchat. #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @Vigorio I read 4 biographies on Peter the Great when I wrote The Tsar’s Dwarf – and read about 4 different men #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @AndreaGardner Yes, I wonder if Anne Frank would ever would have considered a literary profession. #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dosankodebbie RT @CarolyBurnsBass: RT @AndreaGardner: If Anne Frank knew we would read her diary would she have written it differently? #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Thanks! Bye #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @danish_novelist That Peter. Puts split personality in a whole ‘nother category. #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 31st, 2009
LitChat Let’s all give Mr @rottenperson, aka Gary Buslik, a round of LitChat applause for being with us today. {{{{{}}}}}} #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 31st, 2009
amgamble @AndreaGardner Alt history: I spoke to an elderly German woman who was from “…well, today you call it Poland.” Yeah, some of us. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana (((((((((((@rottenperson))))))))))))))) #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 31st, 2009
deegospel @rottenperson thanks for great chat #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian It’s like science: always changes with new finds. RT @Vigorio: history txtbks should have a disclaimer – this is the truth for now #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @amgamble Heard historian on NPR say today’s Germans are really studying their history, trying to understand WHY. #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 31st, 2009
dosankodebbie RT @LitChat: Let’s all give Mr @rottenperson, aka Gary Buslik, a round of LitChat applause for being with us today. {{{{{}}}}}} #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 31st, 2009
George9Writer Awesome #litchat, thanks! although today I only had time to lurk at the end -2:28 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @AndreaGardner: Yes. She was writing it differently – Anne Frank had a manuscript partly finished before she died. It’s in print. #litchat -2:29 PM Jul 31st, 2009
maggiedana @elizabethbuchan Tried to ‘wave goodbye’ when you left #litchat but my screen went wonky. What on earth did you do to it? -2:33 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @AndreaGardner: http://bit.ly/1TgTF is the “critical edition” of the diary. Also see “Reviewing Anne Frank” in http://bit.ly/zOPyZ. #litchat -2:44 PM Jul 31st, 2009
herstorian @AndreaGardner: 1: original diary; 2: father made deletions; 3: Anne’s fictionalized version, “The Secret Annex.” #litchat -2:50 PM Jul 31st, 2009

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