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July 27, 2009 The Fine Line Between Fact & Fiction, open chat 1

The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on July 27, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion The Fine Line Between Fact and Fiction.

LitChat Welcome to #litchat. Today we’re discussing THE FINE LINE BETWEEN FACT & FICTION. Join us for the next hour for some great convo. -1:00 PM Jul 27th, 200
cloverover @nicolamorgan Trying the #litchat again I see? Good luck! πŸ˜‰ -1:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @cloverover er, thanks … #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Hi, there, @litchat. And hi to everyone. Looking forward to convo, and some of @nicolamorgan’s wine and choclate. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat Creative non-fiction–memoir and personal essays–often blur the lines between what really happened and what author perceives. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
hprw @nicolamorgan Sign in to TweetChat; put in #litchat; put your comments in the box which appears; hope to offend no one. -1:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
hprw @nicolamorgan Are you here now? I am! #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan kids talk about fiction as being “made up” stuff and I have fun+difficulty explaining that actually fiction is as true as “fact” #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs Hi everyone #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @hprw Hi! Nicola won’t share her wine. [pout] #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan because if there’s was no truth in it there’d be nothing to connect to #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
hprw @nicolamorgan Sometimes true-er! #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @hprw Oh yes, and I have SO got the hang of it #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan Maggie, i’m here for serious literary conversation and meaningfulness. You are only here for the wine. i know your sort #litchat -1:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
hprw @maggiedana I would but I’ve drunk it all…. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie I’m here too. Rubbing the sleep from my eyes. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan “Non-fic tells us the temperature of freezing point: fiction makes us feel the cold” #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana <— going to fetch her own damned wine. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat If you have a question for the topic, send to @litchat w/o hashtag and I will post to group. Thanks. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LyndaDW #litchat great topic. There is a natural tendency to believe what you read until you read a conflicting story. -1:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @nicolamorgan Oh, that’s great description. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Trouble w/real life, it sounds too far-fetched when fetched up as fiction. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @VanessaDobbs Just reading up on “delusional disorder,” where one’s beliefs are impervious to disproof. May apply to Da Vinci Code #litchat -1:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie SO TRUE RT @LyndaDW: #litchat great topic. There is a natural tendency to believe what you read until you read a conflicting story. -1:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan if you tell a story saying it’s true, people listen for a certain meaning; if they think it’s fic, they expect a different meaning #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana RT @LyndaDW: #litchat great topic. There is a natural tendency to believe what you read until you read a conflicting story. #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs @maggiedana well they do say truth is stranger than fiction #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat RT @nicolamorgan: “Non-fic tells us the temperature of freezing point: fiction makes us feel the cold” #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky Don’t we always expect that writing dances on the line between fact/fiction, regardless of type? #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @maggiedana yes, an coincidences that could really happen or even have happened are useless in a story #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns RT @nicolamorgan: “Non-fic tells us the temperature of freezing point: fiction makes us feel the cold” #litchat @karendionne! -1:10 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs RT @AndreaGardner: @VanessaDobbs yes and Fiction, unlike life, must make sense.#litchat -1:12 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Reminds me of current reading: non-fic abt Brit explorer who used Peary’s methods to reach North Pole to try & verify Peary did it. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @mjmbecky I just read a novel that could have easily passed for nonfiction. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 27th, 2009
cookiebiscuit Hi everyone. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan the “making us feel the cold” is something I often use when explaining why I love fiction, why it’s important #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @VanessaDobbs Non-fiction also has to make sense. πŸ™‚ (Funny it’s not called fact, but is defined in opposition to fiction.) #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @pussreboots What novel was that? Was it steeped in history? #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @kashicat My son is learning the difference between fic/non-fic in school. He asks about every book we read together. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dweiums Identifying as non-fiction allows the reader to invest more emotion and empathy. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @pussreboots Interesting – which novel? #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @VanessaDobbs thanks for the redirect! I can’t stand when I forget the #litchat! I end up talking to myself. Nothing new there though πŸ™‚ -1:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @kashicat I agree – but they can be led in that direction, often. It can be quite eye-opening #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots On the flip side… finished Grey Seas Under which is nonfiction that reads like fiction. #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dweiums Readers are forever asking what parts may be real in a piece of fiction. #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
hangingnoodles Hello litchatters #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @jeremyduns So, is there a diff. between “non-fiction” and “fact,” I wonder? Some reason for that distinction? #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @AndreaGardner It was Outside the Lavender Closet by Martha A Taylor. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @mjmbecky Expect, maybe. But I generally want non-fiction to be as free of fiction as possible. I read it for research. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass In memoir, the fine line between fact and fiction is drawn by the author, it’s about author’s perception, rather than fact. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @pussreboots That’s cool! Do you find it hard to explain the subtleties & gradations? #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @LitChat Are we supposed to “be” somewhere to get “live” into the conversation? #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @mjmbecky There is also a distinction between Truths & Facts. The two may be the same, but not always. Fiction can present Truths #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie I often wonder what about the definition of “based on true events.” How much should be fact in a novel to make that claim? #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @pussreboots And we make it sound so simple +black +white, but it isn’t. Kids often say n-f is “true”, as though a novel isn’t #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy Hello #litchat folks. My perception of reality informs my fiction and non-fic. Reader’s perception of reality determines what they believe. -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat Q1 fm @Doublelattemama When does it go from being a biography to a fictional novel? how will i know? #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @dweiums I’d have thought it was opposite: more emotion/empathy for fic than non-fic. Why do you think that? #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @kashicat He’s almost 7 so everything takes a bit of creativity to explain. At least he’s interested! #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dweiums @CarolyBurnsBass And perception is often blurred by memory & need for attention. #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @CarolyBurnsBass That’s exactly right. As long as the reader understands the liberties the author is taking. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @nicolamorgan I am trying to teach him that novels can have truths in them. We are learning this with Hoot by Carl Hiaasen. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat RT @dweiums: Readers are forever asking what parts may be real in a piece of fiction. #litchat [“Is this autobiographical?”] -1:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @pussreboots Maybe heightened cultural issues read like fact/nonfiction than fiction.Good nonfiction seems to go the other way too. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @jeremyduns I agree non-fic is for research and growth. A good fiction can help you grow, but can seriously warp if used for facts. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @jeremyduns I’m much the same ab. non-fic. As much objectivity as humanly possible, or agenda stated upfront, at least. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @pussreboots He sounds like one smart cookie! πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 Q-1: Unless it is attributed and confirmed by multiple sources- it is basically fiction, opinion, story, etc. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @TwinkleChar You’re “live” right now, so just jump in. It’s a bit jumbled sometimes. πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @CarolyBurnsBass I sometimes find memoirs hard to read because I’m unsure where that line is. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner It depends what kind of “nonfiction.” There’s “creative nonfiction”–not the same as factual material. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @pussreboots I suppose novels haven’t happened but they could, and we can imagine them. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @WayneHurlbert I once taught young kids class about Norse myth. A little fundie kid said it was bad because it was all lies #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @jeremyduns I agree – I don’t know how much to believe, as I know that memory is relative and skewed, but in a novel it’s no prob #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @kashicat Thanks! I think so. πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @TwinkleChar Go to Twitter Search or my favorite is http://tweetchat.com. Log into hashtag #litchat. -1:22 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson True. I tend to forget about creative non-fic. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @kashicat The kid might be right, depending on the myth’s intention, yes? #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @nicolamorgan Novels can be based on actual events but simplified to drive home certain points or make a better story. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @pussreboots “better story” – yes! Because real life doesn’t usually work out in a story way! #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Even in memoir, the author can stretch things–private conversations, say–if they’re reasonably inferred. Agree? #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy “A great writer always brings his own world and its message.” Albert Camus #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @LitChat I sent you a question w/no hashtag. Did you get it OK? #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @jeremyduns Lik you, I like my non-fiction to be factual. When presented as fact, it had better be reliable.#litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan “Non-fic tells us the temperature of freezing point: fiction makes us feel the cold” #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @WayneHurlbert @rottenperson There’s “profound truth” (myth, for eg), & basic facts (gravity, blah blah). So he was right/wrong #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @kashicat Now that is kind of scary on so many levels 😦 #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner I mean private conversations the author couldn’t possibly have overheard herself. She’s allowed some leeway, I think #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @maggiedana are you there??!! And where’s that Smith woman? Drinking again? #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana I’m always suspicious of non-fic with lots of dialogue. Makes me less liable to read and believe. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @WayneHurlbert Agree. Fact is like scientific formula with same outcome; truth is like theory, changes with individual perception. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs @maggiedana me too. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat Question 2 is coming up in 5 minutes. Watch for it. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @nicolamorgan Smith woman is hiding under my sofa. @hprw #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @maggiedana Abso-lutely. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @mjmbecky I #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat I think if we really want to know complete “facts” about s/o’s biography, we have to read several biographies of person. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark #WRITERS: Do you ever wonder if the musicians whose songs you write 2 ever read any of your #books ? #music #writing #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat By the way, @rottenperson is our guest host on Friday. Check out his book of travel essays, A ROTTEN PERSON TRAVELS THE CARIBBEAN. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @kashicat @rottenperson @CarolyBurnsBass The distinction between Truths & Facts is something some people can never grasp #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @mjmbecky I’ve read other LGBT fiction and it’s all been obviously presented as fiction. This one was written to read like nf. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @maggiedana Well, get her out – she has to see that i am coping or she’ll have no respect for me. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson agreed because the reader would understand that it is the authors thoughts not fact #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @kashicat Good point. I read 4 bios of Edward R. Murrow and each one brought diff. facts into view. #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 @rottenperson That leeway is the fact that “it might not be so” #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie AGREE RT @kashicat: If we really want to know complete “facts” about s/o’s biography, we have to read several biographies of person #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @jeremyduns True. When doing research I want fact. Some nonfiction presents details to lead to author’s opinion, makes me nervous. #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana I’m in the process of reading several bios of our former P.M. Pierre Trudeau, & having same experience #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Yes. Rachel Manley wrote a brilliant memoir about her father, Michael–former PM of Jamaica–in which she does that. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @rottenperson I see myths (kind of my specialty) as ways of expressing almost inexpressible things ab. human psyche #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LyndaDW It’s a lot of work to keep asking yourself how much of this is true. After a while you tend to just believe what you read #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson great example. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @LyndaDW A case of ‘love the one you’re with’? … ‘believe the one you’re reading.’ #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @pussreboots Do you think has to be fiction for LGBT because it can go to depths that fact-based can’t because society not ready? #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat Q2 fm @Vanessa Dobbs How do you convince people that fiction is just fiction? eg controversy re books like Da Vinci code? #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar Readers sometimes “process” fictional characters as real, then start emailing worries about their health, love lives, choices #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @pussreboots Maybe more not ready to accept those authors or they are not ready to expose themselves in that way? #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner I think that if the reader cares they will do more research. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan Well, for a start, with DVC, you wouldn’t pretend it was based on fact! #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @LitChat 2 a certain extent, you can’t. It’s the same principle if the Q were reversed. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @TwinkleChar They certainly do this for TV characters. Witness large # of soap opera books at checkout counters #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy People are seeking stories to explain the unknown. Fiction/myth/religion, who are we to ask them not to believe? #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 That’s just good writing! RT @LyndaDW: After a while you tend to just believe what you read #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs @TwinkleChar I find that sad #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @LitChat Q2 – my answer was that delusional disorder means someone’s beliefs are impervious to disproof. πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan Twitter seemed to stop talking my tweets just now: I was asking what “RT” means. Anyone? Please! #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky Q2–That line will always feel blurred, because you always believe there is a nugget of truth in fiction..especially hist. fiction. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark Fact is in the eye of the beholder, despite proof to the contrary. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LitChat If I wrote that, I wouldn’t want to dissuade the reader from believing it’s fact. You? #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar RT @jentropy: People are seeking stories to explain the unknown. Fiction/myth/religion, who are we to ask them not to believe? #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 Q2- I do not see it as the author’s responsibility to keep crying it’s fiction- so long as he/she does not imply that’s its fact. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TimOBrienNYT People who don’t know that fiction is just “fiction” can’t be swayed by explanations. They want to live inside a fantasy, yes? #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Sometimes hard to separate brilliantly-written historical fiction from straight history. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @mmj5170 Great point #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 RT @rottenperson: @LitChat If I wrote that, I wouldnt want to dissuade the reader from believing its fact. You? <Not I> #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns I read tons of non-fiction books researching my fiction, but often find a photograph, an advertisement or a song tells me more #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @mmj5170 Wasn’t that part of its commercial success? How much was true? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky Maybe just me, but I’m always questioning a text while I read. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
MGurman RT: People who don’t know that fiction is just “fiction” can’t be swayed by explanations. They want to live inside a fantasy, yes? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
susanmpls RT @TimOBrienNYT: Ppl who dont know that fict is just “fiction” cant be swayed by explanations–want to live inside a fantasy, yes? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @jeremyduns Tells you what you imagine by looking? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner I just read a book claiming to be Biblically based to find it was a ruse to get readers. ONLY the names were from the Bible. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @nicolamorgan DVC was at least presented in a novel. “Holy Blood Holy Grail” the “source” was presented as fact. More worrying #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @nicolamorgan But DB did in the foreword, quite specifically! #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @AndreaGardner The Red Tent? #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @nicolamorgan RT means “Retweet,” so you’re retweeting what someone else said, for emphasis or to add to it. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @AndreaGardner How did you “find” out? #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @rottenperson But of course, if you wrote that, you would want readers to believe it’s true. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TimOBrienNYT RT @maggiedana I’m always suspicious of non-fic with lots of dialogue. Makes me less liable to read and believe. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 @rottenperson How horrible to think that a story impels people to learn more and research out of curiosity! <Aghast!> #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Probably sold a lot of copies. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky RT @linc0lnpark Fact is in the eye of the beholder, despite proof to the contrary. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 or compels #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LyndaDW Or the good story sticks in your head, but 6 months later you’ve forgotten it was n’t all true #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @mmj5170 LOL #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson MILLIONS! And created a ton of controversy. I say it’s a crime but oh well. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @TwinkleChar Tells me more about a time, place or situation. A scene in my first novel was inspired by a very haunting photo. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @mjmbecky I question texts too, esp. non-fic. Fiction * mainly question if it’s internally consistent & plausible. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @LyndaDW great point! #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @maggiedana Hi #LitChat -1:40 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @mmj5170 Well, I found out that the Last Supper was a Friday night all-you-can-eat fish fry. Holy chalice was Heinz malt vinegar. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @jeremyduns I know what you mean. Whatever it takes to ignite, to “bring alive” the story that circles us, looking for the inroad. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @susanmpls Does that imply then that all readers are dense, and their responsibility and not the writer’s? #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Ka-chink. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Author’s creds far more important in non-fiction than fiction. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @kashicat The plausibility of fiction is dependent on the mind of the reader. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @linc0lnpark And the presentation of the author. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Also important with non-fiction’s veracity is beefy bibliography, endnotes, and a dynamite index. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark In fact, some people’s true life story is entirely implausible to others. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TimOBrienNYT Reading: ‘New Page: Can the Kindle really improve on the book?’ in NYer http://bit.ly/4nRpQU #books #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 27th, 2009
susanmpls @mjmbecky I think it means that some people believe what they want regardless of facts, or lack of facts, that prove otherwise. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @linc0lnpark Same can hold true for nonfiction. Sometimes readers are determined not to believe a word you say. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat RT @maggiedana: Also important with non-fiction’s veracity is beefy bibliography, endnotes, and a dynamite index. #litchat YES. -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs Great point RT @maggiedana: Authors creds far more important in non-fiction than fiction. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @maggiedana Agreed. Two different historians can give entirely different interpretations of the same events #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @TimOBrienNYT I still don’t have to recharge or put batteries in the books I read πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @mjmbecky No. I’ve read a bunch of nonfiction LGBT too. The book I used was an example of fiction reading like nonfiction only. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @mjmbecky Good question. I think an author should err in the direction of being overly careful here. Ask Oprah. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @TimOBrienNYT @maggiedana Re. being suspicious of nonfic w/lots dialogue, narrative nonfic journalists often tell reporting methods #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @maggiedana Yes! But I’ve read books with all those that are very flawed. Look great superficially, but dig and sources twisted. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @TimOBrienNYT It probably can in some ways? But not in all ways- the book is the best piece of technology yet #LitChat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy I deliberately wrote this to see if readers would find it good or evil, their own truth. http://www.jentropy.com/archives/359 #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @TwinkleChar You’ve got it! these discussions sometimes forget the freedom of the reader’s mind in play. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @jeremyduns I always look for names I trust in a bibliography. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @susanmpls True. I actually think that readers not in the majority (unfortunately), so fact/fiction creates a discussion… #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat Q3 fm @maggiedana Can anyone define ‘narrative non-fiction’? #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 27th, 2009
anthonylevings … a valid emotional state aroused by writing. I had this sort of not knowing feeling when reading The Men Who Stare at Goats … #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @maggiedana But also in fiction? #LitChat -1:45 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @TwinkleChar @linc0lnpark This phenomenon is especially true in partisan political discussions #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Agreed ! RT @elizabethbuchan: @TimOBrienNYT It probably can in some ways? The book is the best piece of technology yet #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
alexisgrant Jumping into #litchat because I see it’s about narrative nonfiction. -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @jentropy I haven’t read it, but I doubt very much that most people have only one “truth”. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LitChat Do you mean so-called literary, or creative, nonfiction? #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @WayneHurlbert Bingo. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie I translate a lot of true-events based novels. May be good to add intros to English version to point out how much is fact. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
miuraworld I translate a lot of true-events based novels. May be good to add intros to English version to point out how much is fact. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @elizabethbuchan In fiction, I trust authors I’ve read before. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @maggiedana Same here. And I often check sources or head for primary sources. Interview if I can. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
anthonylevings … and it can travel therefore both ways – fiction as fact, fact as fiction – and highlights important things about … #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark So in the scheme of things, is fictitious fiction the truth? #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @alexisgrant Great to see you here. Feel free to plug #memoirchat at the end of chat today. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @VanessaDobbs Agreed. Everyone views events through their own perceptions & experiences #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Karen_Palmer @maggiedana What do you think of no quotes in non-fic to indicate that the conversations are approximate? #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 27th, 2009
anthonylevings … all factual writing being reliant on a set of writing techniques as fiction, since it after all also has to tell a story #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
alexisgrant @LitChat And thanks for hosting! Looks like a lively chat. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @jeremyduns Primary Sources. Good book title? Has it been taken??? #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @WayneHurlbert Yes, but how malleable are those? #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy @nkinnefick What I mean, is that people will find their own meaning in what they read, if that makes sense. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @Karen_Palmer No quotes would be good. Better than fudging it. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @litchat Narrative nonfic, literary nonfic, lit/journalism, creative nonfic=all terms of true writing using techniques of fiction. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson RT @maggiedana: @jeremyduns Primary Sources. Good book title? Has it been taken??? Go on, use it. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @jentropy Here, here! And there’s nothing a writer can do about it. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @WayneHurlbert e.g. real life on our street:robberies. get-away car parked on street for 1.5 HOURS.Police received 5 diff. desc. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 27th, 2009
scgreen @maggiedana DIBS! #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @LindseyOConnor Agree.. its a question of emphasis? #LitChat -1:50 PM Jul 27th, 2009
alexisgrant @maggiedana I’m learning there’s a difference between creating semi-accurate dialogue that helps advance the story and fudging it. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns I think novels can sometimes tell you more about a period than non-fiction. Eric Ambler for 30s Europe, for instance #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson Anyone? RT @LitChat: Q3 fm @maggiedana Can anyone define narrative non-fiction? #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky Our discussion today reminds me why writing so difficult, and so unappreciated! There is so much to consider. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
RitaJKing @TimOBrienNYT re: living in fiction. Reality is layered, and discernment requires leveling up. Or do you just mean a good story? πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @nkinnefick They are very malleable, subject to background, peers, family, social status, etc. too. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TimOBrienNYT . @maggiedana @elizabethbuchan:Baker does not like his Kindle, in the end #litchat #books -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @dosankodebbie Sometimes that works, & sometimes it spoils story for reader. It’s hard to know when readers will take too seriously #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @jentropy That makes sense, but some “truths” are situational, or can change if the wording changes. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LyndaDW @twinklechar Thanks for posting about tweetchat. I’ve never used it before and it’s great #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @jeremyduns Novels can also open your eyes to something that makes you dive for non-fiction accounts of it. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor OK, thanks. This genre has a whole different set of rules from journalistic nonfiction. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs @jeremyduns agreed. E.g Rose of Sebastopol -abt nursing in the crimea #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @TimOBrienNYT Give Mr. Baker a G&T. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner RT @mjmbecky: Our discussion today reminds me why writing so difficult, and so unappreciated! There is so much to consider. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @TimOBrienNYT At risk of being a Luddite, I’m glad. The physical book is precious #LitChat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs YES RT @maggiedana: @jeremyduns Novels can also open your eyes to something that makes you dive for non-fiction accounts of it. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
danish_novelist @jeremyduns I totally agree. Fiction can get to a deeper truth than historians #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @Karen_Palmer I like no quotes in nonf. to approximate but danger is that it can confuse reader. I prefer author reporters notes. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
anthonylevings We live in an art-scarred world #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @jeremyduns You’re right. Novels can tell you how people FEEL during the period. They can also shed light on a neglected class. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @maggiedana Like DaVinci Code. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @maggiedana πŸ™‚ A political thriller! Journalist on the run after interviewing a presidential candidate who claims to be the messiah #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 27th, 2009
josholalia @TimOBrienNYT what if “fiction” becomes/predicts reality? Read @doctorow @bruces @greatdismal #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner YES! RT @maggiedana: @jeremyduns Novels can also open your eyes to something that makes you dive for non-fiction accounts of it. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @nathanbransford Seeing that you are interested in narrative nonfiction, would you please pop into #litchat and give definition? -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @elizabethbuchan Linking arms with you … Luddites Forever. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson Which genre? Fiction or memoir? Or both? #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Karen_Palmer @VanessaDobbs @jeremyduns Agree with this too. Have turned many times to non-fiction for the “real story” after reading a novel. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana But there was a time when you read each of those authors a first time.Your trust grew cumulatively, you mean? #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @danish_novelist That’s true. Fiction tends to rely more heavily on ideas vs. concrete facts, and ideas are more powerful. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
alexisgrant I’ve wondered whether memoir falls under narrative nonfiction. I believe it does. Anyone? #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy @nkinnefick Well, yes. Probably a million truths in each moment, then lost forever in our shedding cells. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @josholalia It often does. If U watch BLAZING SADDLES again, you will swear it is the GOP and Obama. Uncanny. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor Those interested in narrative nonfic check out Writer L. A listserve for narrative journalists. It’s great. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @LindseyOConnor I thought no quotes was a style issue! You mean to tell me it means something? #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner Readers are willing to believe almost anything, as long as the author doesn’t break the spell. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy @mjmbecky Can you anticipate all the gaps? #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @alexisgrant Oh definitely – doesn’t define it but is included in it #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @maggiedana Are Luddites allowed G&Ts? #LitChat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @jentropy If I like first book of particular author, I will always try another, and keep going. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @dosankodebbie That can vary too. I could see it at front of book if it wasn’t too emphasized. Short note or something. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
ELDING RT @TimOBrienNYT: Yow. Provocative RT @josholalia what if “fiction” becomes/predicts reality? Read @doctorow @bruces @greatdismal #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson Could go either way. RT @alexisgrant: Ive wondered whether memoir falls under narrative nonfiction. I believe it does. Anyone? #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @rottenperson and finding that line is so very hard as an author. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Hic <—- holding out Luddite’s glass to @elizabethbuchan #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar RT @rottenperson: @AndreaGardner Readers are willing to believe almost anything, as long as the author doesnt break the spell. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @dosankodebbie My fave historical novels have lists of real hist’l figures at front, to establish context, & it doesn’t hurt story #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @maggiedana as long as they keep the same, standards I will stay with them. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @jentropy No, but good writers consider readers’ perceptions to make sure essence of idea/point comes through. Right? #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @rottenperson Isn’t memoir often a kind of fiction however resolute the author to tell what might be called objective truth? #LitChat -1:56 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor I forgot my point. Sorry. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 27th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass Narrative non-fiction is true events written in engaging, fictional style. One of my fave NNF journalists is LATimes Patt Morrison. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs RT @AndreaGardner: @maggiedana as long as they keep the same, standards I will stay with them. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana @AndreaGardner Agree, but I’m always willing to cut my favorite authors some slack. They can’t always please me. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 27th, 2009
crcpr21 RT @TimOBrienNYT: Reading: ‘New Page: Can the Kindle really improve on the book?’ in NYer http://bit.ly/4nRpQU #books #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 27th, 2009
pussreboots @LitChat It’s non-fiction written in the style of fiction. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Karen_Palmer @elizabethbuchan Memoir requires self-editing, which by definition makes it impossible to be objective. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 27th, 2009
VanessaDobbs @elizabethbuchan agree subjectivity can influence the memoir #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 27th, 2009
danish_novelist @nkinnefick Fiction gets the feelings, the mood, the spirit, the subconscious of a historical period #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson πŸ™‚ Chat’s fast. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 27th, 2009
FlossieTeacake @VanessaDobbs definitely true – absolutely devoured nonfic books on Afghanistan after reading The Wasted Vigil last year #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @CarolyBurnsBass Fictional style? Hm. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
scgreen Time traveling tweets today. I write them once. Twenty minutes later, they appear. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor My poor head. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
alexisgrant Gotta run, y’all. Thanks for making me think! #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @WayneHurlbert Interested at ‘especially 2nd-rate’! Wonder if that’s true, and if so, why. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @rottenperson Too funny. Yes, I just think reader’s perspective maybe come in during editing process? Fiction and Nonfiction alike. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @Karen_Palmer It’s a kind of relativity #LitChat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @mjmbecky I think a good writer CAN’Tconsider a reader’s perception — because who R we to decide what that may be? #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dosankodebbie @kashicat Good solution! #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner @scgreen here also. But you won’t get this for a while and by then you will have forgotten your tweet! #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Melwyk Indexes are imperative RT@maggiedana Also important with nonfiction’s veracity is beefy bibliography,endnotes, and a dynamite index #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Karen_Palmer RT @CarolyBurnsBass: Narrative non-fiction is true events written in engaging, fictional style. [good definition] #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 27th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @rottenperson By “fictional style,” I mean the piece reads like a story, not like a news article. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @linc0lnpark but I think that’s what we’re always aiming for, if futilely. (Well, speaking for myself) #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat RT @maggiedana: @jeremyduns Novels can also open your eyes to something that makes you dive for non-fiction accounts of it. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @AndreaGardner I forgot everything. Monday, right? #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @mjmbecky If it’s a general perspective you could consider (or challenge) it. It’s too much to account for individual perspectives. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan @scgreen yes, and some of mine haven’t … #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @linc0lnpark Then why write opinion pieces if you can’t consider reader’s perspective? You have to anticipate to some degree? #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner Only if I remember. RT @rottenperson: @AndreaGardner I forgot everything. Monday, right? #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Sirenland Narrative nonfiction also makes some huge leaps; e.g. Richard Ben Cramer recreating dialogue in “DiMagio” & “What it Takes” #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
danish_novelist In The Tsar’s Dwarf I think I get the mood of the Baroque period in Russia and Denmark #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @CarolyBurnsBass You mean has a theme? Emotional impact? Doesn’t that almost always require fictional diddling? #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat RT @linc0lnpark: @jeremyduns UR right.Novels can tell you how people FEEL during period….can also shed light on a neglected class.#litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @maggiedana So true. The hours fly by in #litchat. That’s why we chat three times a week. -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @elizabethbuchan @Karen_Palmer I like Walt Harrington’s teaching that in memoir we have contract w/reader to nonfic. always. #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner RT @Karen_Palmer: RT @CarolyBurnsBass: Narrative non-fiction is true events written in engaging, fictional style. [good definition] #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jentropy @mjmbecky I’m not sure I even know what a good writer is. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @mjmbecky Good authors always know the “general” perspective. They don’t just flail blindly at abstract ideas. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @jeremyduns The ideas & zeitgeist in 2nd rate literature fix them in a certain time & place. Timeless great lit transcends that #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan I think a huge part of the art of the writer is a relatively successful but desperate attempt to engage the reader’s perspective #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @mjmbecky No, U don’t. U may very well be enlightening a reader who had a diametrically opposed view prior to reading your words. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Storycasting @LitChat Isn’t this just…telling a TRUE story? #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner Really? I believe a good writer is one you like. RT @jentropy: @mjmbecky Im not sure I even know what a good writer is. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @Sirenland Even the great Capote took leaps. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
wiremamma @litchat – missed whole conversation today. My apologies… look forward to the next one! #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana RT @nicolamorgan: Huge part of the art of the writer is relatively successful but desperate attempt to engage readers’ perspective #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @mjmbecky If they choose to trample all over that perspective, so be it. Knowing it’s there will make them all the better equipped. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @Storycasting Few “true” stories are emotionally engaging. So, where’s the line? #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @AndreaGardner Agreed πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat So, our official 1-hr #litchat is passed and we have a couple of questions backed up. Shall we continue or save for Wednesday? -2:04 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Karen_Palmer @WayneHurlbert Not sure I agree. Particularity is imp. Can still be transcendent, but part of that quality comes from specifics. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark @mjmbecky It is through your words that your mind and imagination get credit. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @LindseyOConnor He made famous (if not invented) the literary nonfiction genre in In Cold Blood. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @Storycasting Agree. Narrative non-fiction is storytelling at its finest. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat Memoir can never be objective, by def’n. “Fiction” may come from person’s interp of his/her life, but facts are the non-fic part #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @jeremyduns Ex.The ideas in an Alger novel really give a sense of the thinking & assumptions of the Gilded Age #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 @LitChat Save- I need to concentrate on my paying job. #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
elizabethbuchan @LitChat Thank you so much for inviting me in. Really wonderful conversations. Good night #LitChat -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
agnieszkasshoes I’ve missed tonight’s #LitChat harumph worth it, though, because The Street is just extraordinary brilliant -2:05 PM Jul 27th, 2009
MSenkoji More, more, about those Kindles-RT @TimOBrienNYT: . @maggiedana @elizabethbuchan:Baker does not like his Kindle, in the end #litchat #books -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky @jentropy It would be a great #litchat conversation! Characteristics of a “good” writer. Such hard work, which is why I admire them! -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns Re indexes & endnotes etc in non-fiction: I see that as important architecture. But the foundations – the research – is what counts #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
danish_novelist @Karen_Palmer I once wrote a novel based on my Jewish grand father from Safed. It was more truthful than his own auto biography #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson In Cold Blood is still the standard. #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
Sirenland @LindseyOConnor Most of what we call Literary Non-Fiction would not survive a fact-checker. #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 27th, 2009
scgreen I often wonder about the author’s intent in writing a memoir. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @alexisgrant <waving kerchief> Too brief an appearance! #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat We’ll hold the questions for Wednesday, but feel free to keep the convo going. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mmj5170 Thank you @ LitChat #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
linc0lnpark I heart writers. Thanks for listing to my drivel! πŸ˜€ Bye! #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @scgreen Ooo. Good one. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor RT @Sirenland: @LindseyOConnor Most of what we call Literary Non-Fiction would not survive a fact-checker.>Why we should fact check #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @kashicat Memoirs lack of objectivity & emphasis on certain events & people provide better insights into the writer than the words #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @linc0lnpark You’re terrific. Drivel me anytime. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nkinnefick @Sirenland I don’t think real life would survive a fact-checker, if such a dreadful thing truly exists. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
AndreaGardner Thanks #litchat. I’ll be thinking about this chat all week. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 27th, 2009
mjmbecky Great discussion today. Thanks #litchat and @maggiedana for hosting. -2:09 PM Jul 27th, 2009
nicolamorgan Agree – thanks, litchat – the fastest hour ever. Can language change the speed of time? #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat So the convo continues on Wednesday, 4-5 p/et. See you then! #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maureenogle YUP! RT @maggiedana: Also important w/non-fiction’s veracity is beefy bibliography, endnotes, & dynamite index. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana {{{{{{{{{{@litchat}}}}}}}}} for moderating this. Must be worse than herding cats. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor On fact checking, New Yorker did a great piece not long ago about their standards. Challenging for us nonfic folks. Bye all. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 27th, 2009
NathanBransford Narrative nonfiction definition: nonfiction that illuminates through story (memoir, history, true crime, etc.) #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maureenogle B. Tuchman called non-fiction “verity” RT @maggiedana: non-fiction’s veracity = beefy bibliography, endnotes, & dynamite index. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 27th, 2009
dweiums @LitChat Great! My system died so I’ll be happy to rejoin the convo on Wednesday. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 27th, 2009
rottenperson @NathanBransford But then we have to define “story,” yes? Let’s see if we can pin that down on Wed. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 27th, 2009
WayneHurlbert @Karen_Palmer I’m not saying that great lit can’t give zeitgeist but 2nd rate lit gives it better as it is clearly rooted in a time #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 27th, 2009
jeremyduns @WayneHurlbert You may well be right. Intriguing thought – thanks. #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maureenogle Fictional history = history that tries too hard to be “novelistic” (according to my editor) #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @WayneHurlbert I agree, ab/memoirs, ubjectivity,insights into writer. Of course, we have to know where they weren’t objective! #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @scgreen Some people want to expl. themselves to history. I think memoir can also help *them* understand their life #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 27th, 2009
scgreen A Twitter Memoir: *ahem* I started at A, blurred through l-m-n-o, stumbled on Q and X, but still made it to Z. #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @rottenperson Hope you didn’t feel like you were drowning! πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @rottenperson You too. I have to follow you now. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @NathanBransford Oh boy. Including “story” opens the can of worms about whether that makes narr. n.f. non-fic at all. <g> #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @rottenperson Ha! I saw your tweet about “story” after I sent my own, making same point. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
scgreen @kashicat But what if the memoir isn’t about themselves. Tuesdays With Morrie, for example. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
TwinkleChar @LindseyOConnor And that is how a rottenperson reels you in. ;>) Bye, all. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @scgreen Hm. I always think of a “memoir” as autobiography, but I guess it doesn’t have to be, does it? #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 27th, 2009
maggiedana Twitter’s API #failing again. #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LindseyOConnor @TwinkleChar Thanks for headsup on #litchat. Fantastic! Went so fast I got dizzy. -2:25 PM Jul 27th, 2009
kashicat @linc0lnpark I feel for ya! I’m writing an article on clinical depression in another window as we speak. <g> #litchat -2:25 PM Jul 27th, 2009
LitChat @NathanBransford Thanks, Nathan. Appreciate hearing from pub pros on questions asking for literary definitions. #litchat -2:26 PM Jul 27th, 2009

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