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August 31, 2009: Transitions, open chat 1

The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on August 31, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion was Transitions.

LitChat Welcome to LitChat! We’re talking about TRANSITIONS–any kind of transitions that have literary value. Join us. #litchat -1:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
simonschuster RT @LitChat: #litchat is on now! Join for fast and friendly convo on this week’s topic,TRANSITIONS. Send Qs for chat to @LitChat w/o hashtag -1:05 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke Evening @LitChat :o) #litchat -1:05 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat @inkyelbows Welcome and thanks for posting those tips for writer chats. I’ll link it to our blog, too. #litchat -1:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
booksoulmates So, what do you mean by Transitions? #litchat -1:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Let’s take a few minutes to introduce ourselves and let the chat begin. #litchat -1:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat TRANSITIONS. I chose this because it’s the time of year when so many things change. Summer wanes, school begins, new book catalogs. #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat Hallo! Glad to be here again. #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 Hello @litchat! and all you litchatters! I’m in and out, like actually working, but I’ll try to participate some. #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
booksoulmates Hi all! I’m Vanessa from Book Soulmates. You can check out our blog ar http://booksoulmates.blogspot.com . Thanks for inviting me! #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
mmj5170 I’m trying to hang in there for today. #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 RT @inkyelbows #litchat starting NOW. Topic: Transitions. Tips for those new to Twitterchats: http://bit.ly/writerchats #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat So, let’s talk about books that have transitional ideas, themes, characters. #litchat -1:09 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana <— British book designer/typesetter and author living in Connecticut. First novel, Beachcombing, pub’d in June by Macmillan, UK. #litchat -1:09 PM Aug 31st, 2009
NotJaneAusten #litchat I’m getting really gr8 submissions in the Cleopatra’s Daughter contest! U have until noon on Sept. 4 to enter! http://bit.ly/GC3Lz -1:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
mmj5170 Oh yes, intro- I’m still a wannabe. #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke I’m an administrator for the NHS by day, haiku twitterer and lit lover :o) #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
booksoulmates @maggiedana Hi Maggie! πŸ™‚ Hope you had a great weekend! #litchat -1:11 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Transitions are also how a writer moves the story from one scene to another, seamlessly, in a way that makes sense. #litchat -1:11 PM Aug 31st, 2009
DLStephenson I think I’ll hang out in #litchat today, just because I can now. I hated being hashtag invisible! -1:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Dubai_Writer Hello. Trying to wrap my head around topic of transitions. Do shifting POV characters count? #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @booksoulmates Hi! Am having Twitter issues. Cannot follow new people and new folks following me don’t show up on my twitter page. #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @mmj5170 There are no wannabes who write. There are wannabes who don’t write and wish they did. #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @corb21 Working! You’ve got nerve. πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke RT @CarolyBurnsBass: @mmj5170 There are no wannabes who write. There are wannabes who dont write and wish they did. || Like it :o) #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @DLStephenson Sounds as if you had Twitter problems of late. If so, how did you get them solved? #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 A great book with superb transitions I’ve read recently is HOOK AND JILL new from Reginetta Press http://www.hookandjill.com #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @mmj5170 So if you actively write, you *are* a writer. Even if you haven’t been published yet. #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
mmj5170 In the speaking world the saying went “Smooth transitions= sleeping audience” #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat Yes, I’m wondering what is meant by “transitions” too. If you can have a whole novel about transitions, what does that mean? #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
booksoulmates RT @corb21: RT @inkyelbows #litchat starting NOW. Topic:Transitions. Tips for those new to Twitterchats: http://bit.ly/writerchats #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
mmj5170 @CarolyBurnsBass I stand corrected. I do write and don’t wish I did. #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke Could plot and character transitions be seen as a writer’s scene changes? The stage crew if you will #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 31st, 2009
inkyelbows @LitChat You’re welcome. I’d love to attend #litchat today but I have an article due. -1:15 PM Aug 31st, 2009
DLStephenson @maggiedana #litchat Tweet @Lukester — but he’s already said they’re working on your problem. It shouldn’t be long. πŸ™‚ -1:16 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @corb21 Bad transitions can damage a good book. Good transitions make a good book even better. #litchat -1:16 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods #litchat I’m a prof. author. I’m running an interactive web story at the moment; readers vote what next. That brings continual transition. -1:16 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @DLStephenson Wow … do you have a direct connection to @Lukester? #litchat -1:16 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog I’m here….better late than never. #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Our topic, TRANSITIONS can be about segues in composition, about character arcs, about anything in a book that changes. #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @maggiedana do you think transitions are an essential part of the writer’s repertoire? #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @ghostwoods there was a TV series like that in the UK was I was a kid, you phoned up to vote for the next plot shift #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LexxClarke Yes, I think they are. Bad transitions pull me right out of a story. #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @bibliofreakblog hello you!! #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Q1 fm @LexxClarke Does a protagonist have to experience some form of transition for a story to feel more ‘real’? #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @LitChat you mean, beside line breaks? LOL #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LexxClarke Interesting! Did it work? #litchat -1:20 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LexxClarke By transitions, I mean the way a story moves from scene to scene; not how a character changes throughout the story. #litchat -1:20 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @LitChat @LexxClarke Q1: usually. A character that is the same at the beginning and end is boring unless theme is nothing changes. #litchat -1:20 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat Q1: I think a character needs some sort of transition for a ‘real’ story. Few stories are interesting if everything stays the same #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @ghostwoods yes, very well in fact. They gave four options for you to choose from to limit the scope #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @maggiedana scene to scene was my first thought. #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass Q1 Character growth is an essential element to creating sympathy in the protagonist. Even with the anti-hero, we must see change. #litchat -1:22 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @bibliofreakblog A ‘nothing changes’ theme sounds a bit dull. #litchat -1:22 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LexxClarke That’s what I’m doing, pretty much! What was the show called? #litchat -1:22 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke The reason for asking Q was because I wondered if a story in which everything else changes but main char. is this still engaging? #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 31st, 2009
susanwrites RT@LitChat Our topic, TRANSITIONS can be about segues in composition, about character arcs, about anything in a book that changes. #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 31st, 2009
unbridledbooks RT @LitChat Welcome to LitChat! We’re talking about TRANSITIONS–any kind of transitions that have literary value. Join us. #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LexxClarke There are plenty of stories where the main char remains resolute, sure. Bond, for easy example. #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @maggiedana sometimes in short stories, there isn’t much of a character change, which can lead to nothing changes themes. #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LexxClarke I like to see MCs change. Even if for the worse. #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @LexxClarke I like that idea. It’d be fun to try to write, at least, where the main char. is all that DOESN’T change #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @LexxClarke why would characters stay the same when everything else changes? #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @ghostwoods What’s your story with Sylvester McCoy directing #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @CarolyBurnsBass The most important thing is to avoid predictability & the political correct in character development #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @bibliofreakblog I was thinking change in full-length fiction. Short stories different kettle of fish. #litchat -1:26 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog RT @maggiedana @LexxClarke I like to see MCs change. Even if for the worse. #litchat -1:26 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog @maggiedana certainly I’m with you there. #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LexxClarke Interesting, thanks. I’ll see if I can look it out. #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @bibliofreakblog perhaps in the more anti-hero type of MC, is the world around them changing w/o them changing as engaging a story #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @bibliofreakblog I don’t know why chars wd stay same as e.t. changes but I think it wd be a fun exercise, to see what came from it. #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
GloriaOliver RT @inkyelbows: #litchat starting NOW. Topic: Transitions. Tips for those new to Twitterchats: http://bit.ly/writerchats -1:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @ghostwoods But no one would call James Bond for a three dimensional character, would they? #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @maggiedana I agree. It’s harder with a short story, though there is room for some change, even if they just see things diff by end #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke I read Poppy Shakespeare rec where the MC changed comp but everything else remained (ess.) the same so wonder if the rev would work #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Cardboard, for sure. RT @danish_novelist: But no one would call James Bond for a three dimensional character, would they? #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @danish_novelist Agreed. I abhor predictability and stereotyping in fiction. Politically correctness is another matter entirely. #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @danish_novelist No, for sure. But it depends what you want your story to do, and who you want it to entertain/touch… #litchat -1:30 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @cookiebiscuit Hey, CB. You still having follower/following issues? Seems we’re not the only ones. #litchat -1:30 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @danish_novelist so a transition makes a char 3D, therefore more believable and the story more engaging? #litchat -1:30 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT @kashicat: @LexxClarke I like that idea. Itd be fun to try to write, at least, where the main char. is all that DOESNT change #litchat -1:30 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 @CarolyBurnsBass @danish_novelist predictability is a killer in fiction..what I do like is when I “think” I know and then I’m wrong #litchat -1:30 PM Aug 31st, 2009
AngelMenchan hi all Im a writer mentor reviewer #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @CarolyBurnsBass The political correct HAS become a stereotype. That’s why it’s so boring in fiction #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 @maggiedana I agree with your (very) previous comment about bad trans killing good books but good trans making them better. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LexxClarke I’d say more that a complex character in reality would be changed by significant events, so realistic stories mirror. #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @maggiedana I’ve had 1734 followers for days now even though I keep getting emails about new ones.Or the same amount stop following #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass True! RT @danish_novelist:The political correct HAS become a stereotype. Thats why its so boring in fiction. #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @cookiebiscuit Same problem here. @Lukester says he’s working on it. #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 why does everyone call/need me during #litchat? #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @AngelMenchan Welcome! #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @corb21 cos they are mean! #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Because you’re irrisistible? RT @corb21: why does everyone call/need me during #litchat? #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @corb21 @ghostwoods Exactly. That’s why I like deeply immoral characters in fiction but not in life #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 @LexxClarke yup, no respect! #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 31st, 2009
bibliofreakblog RT @danish_novelist @CarolyBurnsBass The political correct HAS become a stereotype. That’s why it’s so boring in fiction #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke RT @danish_novelist: Exactly. Thats why I like deeply immoral chars in fic but not in life || exp what is perceived as taboo irl #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Q2 Transitions in the passing of time. What books/authors have handled this well? #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 @maggiedana thanks…I appreciate that. #litchat -1:37 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Hi! I’m late. But I want to comment on the transitions thread. It’s better to do w/o transitions that bore your reader with them. #litchat -1:37 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 @LitChat THE TIME TRAVELLER’S WIFE handled it pretty well. #litchat -1:37 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke Q2 Jules Verne, consummate artist! #litchat -1:39 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @LitChat The Bible does a good job with transitions, but some of the characters seem underdeveloped. Like Judas and Barabas #litchat -1:39 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon You’d be amazed what power your scenes get from skipping transitions. #litchat -1:40 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @VictoriaMixon Do you mean ‘bore’ reader when transitions too long? They can be really short … a phrase, short para. One word. #litchat -1:41 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @danish_novelist I wonder how much of that is judicious editing over the ages? #litchat -1:41 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Interesting point. Must ponder it. RT @VictoriaMixon: Youd be amazed what power your scenes get from skipping transitions. #litchat -1:41 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @LitChat Most of my reading is genre. I thought Susan Cooper’s Dark is Rising and Feist’s Magician both did good jobs w/ time. #litchat -1:41 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon You can jump from the end of one scene to the middle of the next, and the reader is swept along. #litchat -1:42 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @VictoriaMixon a very filmic technique #litchat -1:43 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @danish_novelist Very true. They are fascinating, buch more pleasant to explore that sort of person via writing. #litchat -1:43 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Syd Field the screenwriter says, “Start as close to the end of a scene as possible.” That’s where the punch is. #litchat -1:43 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @VictoriaMixon Wouldn’t a reader just assume the “inbetween” was inconsequential? #litchat -1:43 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass I found the passing of time one of the hardest challenges in writing my first novel. I don’t like to read abrupt time-lapses. #litchat -1:43 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @danish_novelist Do you think a moral character is a boring stereotype, then? #litchat -1:44 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Well, it is. You’re not walking the reader through the char’s lives. You’re telling what matters for this story. #litchat -1:44 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Virginia Woolf experimented with the passage of time in To the Lighthouse. #litchat -1:44 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass After much revision, I learned you don’t need to detail every move your character makes in order to move from scene to scene. #litchat -1:45 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @ghostwoods For those of you who want to study/read great transitions, get hold of Fosnes Hansens Tales of Protection. Magical! #litchat -1:45 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @CarolyBurnsBass Agree. I also don’t like to write “The next day, she …” Too boring, predictable. Prefer to use other time trans. #litchat -1:45 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat I think jumping to middle of next scene works well IF there’s an underlying connection. Sometimes this method just makes it choppy #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT @kashicat: @danish_novelist Do you think a moral character is a boring stereotype, then?Takes work to makeMC interestingANDmoral #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @kashicat No because morality in itself isn’t predictable, especially when it comes from “bad” people #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @LexxClarke And once I learnt about this filmic technique I found I never write any other way. #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
ghostwoods @danish_novelist Good tip, thanks. Will do. #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @VictoriaMixon There is so much a novelist can learn from screenwriting. #litchat -1:46 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @maggiedana @VictoriaMixon @CarolyBurnsBass like highlights, the essential knowledge to keep the story flowing? #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat RT @Vigorio: Takes work to makeMC interestingANDmoral #litchat [I’d agree. They can be boring in their goodness.] -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @CarolyBurnsBass Coming up with unusual, different time transitions always a challenge. Using ‘light’ source (sun/moon) can work. #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @danish_novelist Love “Tales of Protection” one of my most cherished books πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @danish_novelist That makes sense. #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @kashicat It’s OK if you eventually bring the strands together. Even if there is no obvious connection initially. #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @maggiedana lighting is very powerful #litchat -1:47 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @maggiedana I use the moon a lot #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon There must be an underlying connection between every pair of scenes, even if it’s justback & forth between parallel plots @kashicat #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana VERY. Can conjure up a gazillion moods. RT @LexxClarke: @maggiedana lighting is very powerful #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Exactly! @LexxClarke @maggiedana @VictoriaMixon @CarolyBurnsBass highlights, the essential knowledge to keep the story flowing? #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @TamaraNKitties It’s hard for a Dane to praise a Norwegian but Fosnes Hansen is an awesome writer πŸ™‚ #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 YES! I like “watching” a book. RT @CarolyBurnsBass @VictoriaMixon There is so much a novelist can learn from screenwriting. #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CREvers checking in at #litchat to see what’s going on. -1:49 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon That meeting of strands is the point of fiction. @cookiebiscuit @kashicat OK if you eventually bring the strands together. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @VictoriaMixon Yes but you may not know what the connection is until you are some way into the story. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass An interesting moral character is one with odd idocyncracies and character flaws. Jan Karon’s MITFORD series if full of them. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @cookiebiscuit Don’t you think this jumping can be overdone? I don’t mean you go “And then she…& then she…,” of course #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Welcome. We’re debating transitions. RT @CREvers: checking in at #litchat to see whats going on. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT @corb21: YES! I like “watching” a book. – Don’t you SEE the book as you write as well? #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
luciaorth I saw Victoria & had to jump in, too. I’ve heard Oscar Hijuelos say that sometimes you need to write transition to find next scene. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana I like the idea of using changes in light for transitions. I should see if I’ve done/can do that in mine. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon They’re similar in being scenic, different in that WE get to use exposition! @corb21 YES! @CarolyBurnsBass screenwriting. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @Vigorio Some readers are unable to *see* a story as they read. I can’t imagine that, but this is what some have told me. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Hi Lucia! I didn’t know you were here! @luciaorth I saw Victoria & had to jump in, too. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @luciaorth And after writing transition & finding scene, I suppose you cd even do away w/transition after writing it. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke To those who write a lot, do you write a ‘script’ for your work? #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 31st, 2009
booksoulmates @maggiedana If you can’t “see” the story, I wonder why they read abook in the first place #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @VictoriaMixon But aren’t novels also different in the depth they offer? I wouldn’t want all books 2 become shallow as some films #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Yes. YOU have to walk through your char’s life. @luciaorth luciaorth Hijuelos: sometimes you write transition to find next scene #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Doublelattemama Reading #litchat tweets on my way to the dentist. Hope I don’t trip & fall -1:53 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Wondered that myself. RT @booksoulmates: @maggiedana If you cant “see” the story, I wonder why they read abook in the first place #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @LexxClarke I’m a total pantser, which means I story chase, not outline. New scenes just fall into place for me. #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT @LexxClarke: To those who write a lot, do you write a script for your work? I tried not to and did tons of rewrites-now I script #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @kashicat I was thinking more of parallel stories that eventually come together. Either diff chars or same chars in diff time frame #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Many books are shallow, many movies deep. @TamaraNKitties Aren’t novels also different in the depth they offer? #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
danish_novelist @LexxClarke The less I plan the more successful I am. However, I’m a firm believer in 22 rewrites #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit My last tweet was more like a text message. Hope it made sense. #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke @TwinkleChar more stream of consciousness then? #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 31st, 2009
alleahna @kashicat And after writing transition & finding scene, I suppose you cd even do away w/transition // Exactly. #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @VictoriaMixon Exposition–yes. Still, it can be a friend or a foe. One way to kill a transition is with too much exposition. #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Hemingway sometimes did 50. @danish_novelist The less I plan the more successful I am. However, I’m a firm believer in 22 rewrites #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @VictoriaMixon Agreed, but ‘shallow’ seems to sell more in movies πŸ˜‰ Though I prefer the good ones myself #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 31st, 2009
luciaorth #litchat And you may likely find in a later draft that the transition is simply the bridge you needed, & thus it can be edited out. -1:56 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @LexxClarke No. More like watching a movie in my head, which I try to type fast enough to keep up with. Characters lead me. #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Your climax is the collision. @cookiebiscuit @kashicat I was thinking more of parallel stories that eventually come together. #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Yes. @luciaorth #litchat And you may find in a later draft the transition is simply the bridge you needed, & thus it can be edited out. -1:57 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @alleahna Transition can be clamp to hold story till the glue dries. Discard if story can stand up without it. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @luciaorth Luv the idea of transitions as bridges. It’s true, once they’re written, you may no longer need them #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @VictoriaMixon @danish_novelist Sign me up to the 22 rewrite club. Now I don’t feel so bad as I’m in my 13th revison for my WIP. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @TwinkleChar I watch my story as a movie too but script a basic direction for it to go #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 31st, 2009
luciaorth @TamaraNKitties #litchat Thanks, this idea kept me sane through my 22+ rewrites. -1:58 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon πŸ™‚ Til the glue dries! @maggiedana @alleahna Transition can be clamp to hold story till the glue dries.#litchat -1:58 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Jumped in late so confused here about transitions. When scene changes, we transist to new scene. ** Indicates new scene. #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @TwinkleChar RT Characters lead me. Me too. Like life. You can’t always plan in advance which way you will go. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Wow, today’s open chat flew by. No Twitter hiccups and plenty of great convo. We’ll continue TRANSITIONS on Wednesday, 4 p/e. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Litchat is awash with metaphor today. Collision, bridges, glue … I’m loving it. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Sells more books, too. Unfortunately. @#TamaraNKitties ‘shallow’ seems to sell more in movies πŸ˜‰ #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Vigorio My characters show up as I write, and are too pigheaded for me to script. They often go DEAF to my suggestions. #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Except Lucia’s! @TamaraNKitties #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke RT @maggiedana: Litchat is awash with metaphor today. Collision, bridges, glue … Im loving it. || wonderfully lit! #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @cookiebiscuit But without some planning you can go off track too easily. #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @LitChat Twitter hiccups = Twittercups? #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Scott_Kessman .@Vigorio: @LexxClarke: I always make it up as I go along, the story seems to remain more true to itself that way #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
mmj5170 Lots of great thoughts. Thank you all! And especially @litchat for hosting. And then, he left. #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @TwinkleChar Mine, too. Every scene new chars develop then drop or stay – but basic outline helps keep story focused #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @LuciaOrth I’m a rewriter, too, and a discarder of sections that are no longer needed. Used to drive my writing-mates crazy:) #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @Vigorio True. But I love it when my characters behave in unexpected ways LOL #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @TwinkleChar Let’s hear it for DEAF characters. They often have more sense than their authors! #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Scott_Kessman .@Vigorio: @LexxClarke:It does take longer to write that way sometimes, because I’m waiting for the ideas, rather than forcing it #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Scott_Kessman I can’t even confess to making it up. It’s like it’s “out there” somewhere, and it finds me. Demands my attention. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana LOL!!! RT @mmj5170: Lots of great thoughts. Thank you all! And especially @litchat for hosting. And then, he left. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Unfortunately! I’m actually teaching a workshop on this, starting today. @Vigorio without some planning can go off track too easily #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TheTsarsDwarf @TwinkleChar Totally understandable. We’re all ghost-writers. None of us work alone, even though we’d like to think so #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
cookiebiscuit @maggiedana And I’m not sure I understand all the metaphors! #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TamaraNKitties @VictoriaMixon Yes, shallow sells better in every category! We’ll just have to do something about that, won’t we? πŸ˜‰ #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 31st, 2009
corb21 I feel like you always say this too soon RT @LitChat Of course, you’re welcome to linger in the LitChat salon as you wish. #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Vigorio When I go “off track,” I always learn something I needed to know, even if scene doesn’t stay. #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat Welcome also to all the new tweeps popping into #litchat for the first time today. Hope you’ll join us again on Wednesday. #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana No worries. Just transition into them. πŸ˜‰ RT @cookiebiscuit: @maggiedana And Im not sure I understand all the metaphors! #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT@TheTsarsDwarf:@TwinkleCharTotally understandable.Were all ghost-writers.None of us work alone, even though wed like to think so #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon Tom Waitts told a wonderful story about yelling at his muse: “i’m DRIVING!” @theTsarsDwarf we’re all ghost-writers #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @maggiedana I KNOW my characters often have more sense than I do. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat RT @TwinkleChar: I’m a total pantser, which means I story chase, not outline. New scenes just fall into place for me. #litchat [I’m similar] -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
VictoriaMixon I have to run. Thanks, everyone! #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana Twitter despises apostrophes. Quick … someone fetch @lynnetruss. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 31st, 2009
luciaorth #litchat This was interesting. A nice break from work for a conversation with other writers. My first chat. Thank y’all. -2:05 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TheTsarsDwarf @WriterCLKelly There’s nothing insulting by having a target audience as long as you LOVE what you do #litchat -2:05 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat RT @TwinkleChar: My characters show up as I write, & are too pigheaded for me to script. They often go DEAF to my suggestions. #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG #litchat did I miss everything? -2:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @luciaorth litchat rocks. Wish I could get here more often. Either deadline or dead brain (Doh! Missed it again!) often hampers me. #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke RT @luciaorth: A nice break from work for a conv with other writers. My first chat. Thank yall. || Be warned it’s addictive! #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @Vigorio I used to start story just knowing ending, & then had to figure out how they got there. #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana @luciaorth Great to have you. Please come again, soon and often. LitChat is every M-W-F, 4-5 pm EST. But not this Friday. #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @Vigorio My most boring story ever was all preplanned. Now, I’m kind of half-planned, half winging it. Then edit!! #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT@luciaorth litchat rocks.Wish I could get here more often. Either deadline or dead brain (Doh! Missed it again!)often hampers me. #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 31st, 2009
maggiedana You and JK Rowling! RT @kashicat I used to start story just knowing ending, & then had to figure out how they got there. #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat RT @TwinkleChar: can’t even confess to making it up. It’s like it’s “out there” somewhere, and it finds me. Demands my attention. #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @TwinkleChar I seem to be hearing an echo in my own head every time you tweet. Heehee! #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio RT @kashicat: @Vigorio My most boring story ever was all preplanned.Now, Im kind of half-planned, half winging it.Then edit!! AGREE #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat @corb21 It helps those who are ditching work if we make a “release” tweet. Of course, the convo continues and welcome to do so. #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat RT @maggiedana: No worries. Just transition into them. πŸ˜‰ #litchat [going to administer a smack in a minute! Ha!] -2:09 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana But only if @lynnetruss brings her black marker! #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Vigorio Too funny! You just put my words in luciaorths mouth with that RT. Writers just can’t help it, can they?! #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @luciaorth Really nice to see you here. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana Bwa! So I knew there was *some* reason why Harry Potter & I share a birthday. <g> #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG @Vigorio #litchat I think too much planning ruins creativity. You try to stick to the plan and your story doesnt have a mind of its own -2:11 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @kashicat Awwww. Hope it’s a good echo. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana Not this Friday? Why not? #litchat -2:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TheTsarsDwarf @VictoriaMixon Exactly. We all have muses, spirits, gods, and devils. No wonder we writers need to purge ourselves with words #litchat -2:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @TwinkleChar Well, certainly my characters and plotting seem to work similarly. #litchat -2:12 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @CDominiqueG That’s what I exper’d with my boring, too-planned story. Characters were robots, filling my prescribed role. #litchat -2:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @CDominiqueG On defense of planning (tho it’s not for me), the planning part takes lots of creative juices too. #litchat -2:13 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @kashicat We are so clever. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LexxClarke I love this chat, so different from my own writing #litchat -2:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio I basically outline some plot then let the chars go and see what they do with it or who new steps in. #litchat -2:14 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG @kashicat #litchat I know what you mean. As an undergrad, I’d plan my essays and they were awful. When I did them 1/3 hr b4 classALL A’s -2:15 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Hate I got here late. Don’t want to go, but deadline calls. Adios for now. #litchat -2:16 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG @TwinkleChar #litchat lol, and too much time.The time I could be using to let the characters speak for themselves.A little 2 word plot works -2:17 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @TwinkleChar Hive mind! #litchat -2:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @CDominiqueG So, are you good at speaking without notes to a crowd too? Hee! #litchat -2:18 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio But if you’re at a deadlock or writer’s block – planning plot can get the story moving again. You shouldn’t plan everything. #litchat -2:19 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @Vigorio I always watch the new characters. Often someone I thought was just “filler” turns out to be the pivot pt. of whole plot. #litchat -2:19 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG @LexxClarke #litchat I’m just glad I caught it for once, I’m at work(job) and taking a break from work(writing) -2:19 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Scott_Kessman .@TwinkleChar That’s a much better description of what I would have liked to say. The story exists, and I am merely it’s vessel…#litchat -2:20 PM Aug 31st, 2009
luciaorth #litchat Thanks for the invitations for Wed. I teach that day. I’ll look for y’all on Mondays, & visit w editor @VictoriaMixon meantime. -2:21 PM Aug 31st, 2009
Vigorio @kashicat I had a dog rescue my MC and stay for the whole book. Never even heard of him before chapter was written. #litchat -2:21 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @kashicat Okay, not gone yet. Can go now, though, because now you’re speaking FOR me! So scary I’m following you now. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:22 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Scott_Kessman Yes. Exactly. When I get out of my own way enough, The Story breaks through. #litchat -2:23 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TheTsarsDwarf Rt Vigorio @kashicat I had a dog rescue my MC and stay for the whole book. Never even heard of him before chapter was written. #litchat -2:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Scott_Kessman Just checked you out. IRISH! No wonder stuff follows us around. πŸ™‚ #litchat -2:25 PM Aug 31st, 2009
TwinkleChar Serioiusly, I am really going this time. (Hear that, Charlene?) Bye. #litchat -2:26 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @Vigorio That is the funniest, most interesting “new character” I’ve ever heard of. <g> #litchat -2:27 PM Aug 31st, 2009
kashicat @TwinkleChar Ha! And now that we’ve recognized this connection, we’ll discover some separate idiosyncracies that horrify us! #litchat -2:28 PM Aug 31st, 2009
CDominiqueG @kashicat lol it’s wierd,but I am.Must b a Bahamian Thing.I have to do impromptu presentations of my research and I wing it #litchat -2:28 PM Aug 31st, 2009
LitChat RT @20xJENNY Q1 Protagonist does not have to change to feel “real” (eg narrator Death in BOOK THIEF) but rather to “hook” readers. #litchat -2:28 PM Aug 31st, 2009

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