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August 19, 2009: How Culture Informs & Directs Storytelling, open chat 2

The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on August 19, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion How Culture Informs and Directs Storytelling.

LitChat Are you ready for #litchat? If so, introduce yourself and let the chat begin. Topic: HOW CULTURE INFORMS & DIRECTS STORYTELLING. -1:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @LitChat Am here … crossing fingers my browser cooperates w/TweetChat and refreshes screen. #litchat -1:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee your local geek scientist here #litchat -1:05 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead Am here – but will be gone for 5 mins to eat porridge and then be back – am Ms Twitter UK, aspiring author & guest-blogged on… #litchat -1:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @murzee Waving at geek {{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}} #litchat -1:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead the blog of the unbelievably awesome @BookTrust this week – http://news1.rebeccawoodhead.com – back in a sec 🙂 #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee @maggiedana back atcha #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat Q1 What elements of a culture are most necessary for writing memorable cultural fiction? #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Have unplugged and rearranged cable Internet cords so if I disappear, suddenly, blame electronics (and stupidity). #litchat -1:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Here I am! Sorry, am I moderating today? Thought it was Friday! #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots web producer/ designer, aspiring author, book blogger. #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour May we have a more specific topic within the subject? Jilly Coooper vs. Khaled Hosseini doesn’t bear much examination. #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat @Eugenia_Kim No, you are moderating as guest host on Friday. We’re discussing cultural fiction all week long. #litchat -1:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Was anyone here for @hangingnoodles #litchat last week? It’s apropos to our chat: culture, language, storytelling. #litchat -1:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Q1: Am guessing, but I’d say strong sense of family and history of own culture. #litchat -1:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @LitChat Thanks. Whew. I’ll hang for this for sure, though. #litchat -1:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Q1: am partial to mysticism — as in South American, Indian and other Asian authors and stories #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Q1: but what would you classify as “cultural fiction?” #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat @pitchparlour Did you see Q1: What elements of a culture are most necessary for writing memorable cultural fiction? #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @maggiedana Good answer. We are exposed to more cultures and histories outside our own than ever. It gets ever more subjective. #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
ecurbmp @LitChat Q1 The elements that are *different*, then being shown how they are different are the most interesting, imo. #litchat -1:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Have to say Toni Morrison is a favorite as well — cultural identity combined with superb language #litchat -1:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour God of Small Things anyone? #litchat -1:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat @Eugenia_Kim Good Q. Cultural fiction that which is outside reader’s own cultural setting. #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots An understanding of Japanese culture and folklore makes Spirited Away easier to understand. #litchat -1:12 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee ABSOLUTELY! RT @pitchparlour: God of Small Things anyone? #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @pitchparlour Yes, I adore God of Small Things. It’s a masterpiece #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Cultural fiction that which is outside reader’s own cultural setting. Which is why Russo’s Bridge of Sighs is so hot in France? #litchat -1:13 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @pitchparlour Yes! I read GOD OF SMALL THINGS, one of the most beautifully composed books I know. #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian I’m here. Yes, @Eugenia_Kim, @hangingnoodles v. relevant to today’s discussion. I lurked last week. #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Let’s not forget there are cultural diffs within countries, even within regions of same country and those who speak same language. #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead porridge cooking..Stuart: A Life Backwards – little cultural nuances like the connection between dogs and death… Porridge burning #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Mysticism is everywhere: Midnight in the Garden… #litchat -1:14 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @rebeccawoodhead <— is an inspired chef. #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist You Americans are wildly exotic to me – with your niceties, your great white teeth, and your lust for air condition #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim And *differences* are within our own families. Sexuality, goth, personal choices, choices inflicted on us… cultural, no? #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @CarolyBurnsBass Fantastic, but made me realise there were things I’d never experience as an English farmer’s daughter. #litchat -1:15 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @danish_novelist Americans are exotic to me too, and I’ve lived among ’em for more than 4 decades. #litchat -1:16 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke Talking of beautiful writing, The Famished Road? #litchat -1:16 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @herstorian Loved the @hangingnoodles twist. Makes all this easy to laugh at, laugh with. Tortured colloquialisms. #litchat -1:16 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @danish_novelist HA HA! Great white teeth, LUST for air conditioning! Come live in DC and you’ll understand #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Sorry to bring up: does demagoguery in #healthcare “debate” rely on our strong cultural characteristics/stereotypes? #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @Eugenia_Kim An ever diminishing circle–country, region, village, family, yet still there are cultural differences. #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @Eugenia_Kim I love mysticism when it’s grounded in reality. Fantasy leaves me stone cold #litchat -1:17 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim *Exotic* Such a dangerous word for Asian Americans. Massage parlour ads and the like. #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke Perhaps an understanding of a culture means that writing about is easier than if you are from that culture #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Me too. RT @danish_novelist: @Eugenia_Kim I love mysticism when its grounded in reality. Fantasy leaves me stone cold #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian I’m reading a lot of cultural fiction lately: THE JADE PEONY, DOES MY HEAD LOOK BIG IN THIS?, BEYOND INDIGO, THE RABBI’S DAUGHTER. #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @murzee Yes. #litchat -1:18 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim If you are raised in a family, their culture is yours or you it has a culture of your own. Other divisions individual. #litchat -1:19 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots No AC here. #litchat -1:19 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour A culture is only a culture if you choose to adopt it. Otherwise you are an individual. #litchat -1:19 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke The tome meister James Clavell seems to have a good grasp of Japanese feudal culture,but perhaps misses the finer detail #litchat -1:19 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat @murzee Let’s keep the topic on literature for now. Thanks. #litchat -1:20 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pitchparlour Individual differences w/in families, yes. But does individuality then make it not *culture*? #litchat -1:20 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @danish_novelist I agree. In the same way Peter Hoeg is utterly Danish. #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim RT @LexxClarke-understanding of a culture means that writing about is easier than if you are from that culture. INTERESTING. More? #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee <—— spanked, apologies, @LitChat #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @Eugenia_Kim I’m an air con Nazi. When it’s in the 90s I’ll allow it. #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass In terms of how culture informs storytelling, look at @KarenWeinreb from 2 weeks ago–her story is about the culture of privilege. #litchat -1:21 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @LexxClarke. What about Memoirs of Geisha, by white man Arthur Golden? Admittedly a Japanophile. #litchat -1:22 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana How well can person NOT from a culture, really understand it enough to write about it convincingly? #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @CarolyBurnsBass I agree. Culture is so broad. Privilege is one. Class, age, sexuality, country of origin, family of origin… 1/2 #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke @Eugenia_Kim Well I wonder if being part of a culture makes one more protective or less objective about it #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead can I? Well yes I can… Hotel on the Corner of Bitter and Sweet – I mention it in just about every litchat as it’s always relevant #litchat -1:23 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @pitchparlour Translated lit only works when your own culture shines through – and when your theme transcends borders #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @CarolyBurnsBass 2/2 but what makes the writing a successful “cultural” piece? #litchat -1:24 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @maggiedana @LexxClarke Arthur Golden, question of protectiveness and objectivity… interesting! #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @maggiedana one is blind to one’s own culture. Try living back here again. It will blow your mind. Never saw this culture with… #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim Surely ‘culture’ is the abandonment of individuality in favour of common interest? Individuals may exist within it. #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @LexxClarke I like going back and forth between Denmark and the US because it makes me see both cultures more clearly #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @maggiedana Women can write strong male characters though & v/versa…& about things they’ve never experienced personally…. #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat Q2 fm @Eugenia_Kim What makes the writing a successful “cultural” piece? #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead ..fresher eyes than when I returned from America. I saw things in America that my American BF couldn’t and vice versa #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke @Eugenia_Kim or perhaps the notion of cultural fiction comes from some type of nostalgia or otherwise idealised view #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour RT @danish_novelist@pitchparlour Translations only work when your own culture shines through-and when your theme transcends borders #litchat -1:25 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @maggiedana Being not from a culture organically, yet research can be done, immersion. Allowing your *outsider* pov to reveal new. #litchat -1:26 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @pitchparlour I thought that too – before I studied sociology and psychology. Trickier to believe now. #litchat -1:26 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @HyattBass But does the male/female thing count as culture or gender? Both? #litchat -1:26 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pitchparlour Yes, soon as I answered, I thot definition of “culture” is group. #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @rebeccawoodhead I need to move home for a year. Wanna put me up? #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
aspiringmama I’m searching for #writechat live on TweetGrid Search – http://bit.ly/rbSV3 #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead what Q are we on now – finished burnt porridge #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @maggiedana Ask Jeffrey Eugenides! #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian @danishnovelist: Yes, it was when I was travelling Europe that I realized what it truly meant to be “Canadian.” And North American. #litchat -1:27 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @maggiedana 🙂 lol! #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke @maggiedana perhaps your gender identity within a culture is more significant? #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @aspiringmama try TweetChat if that doesn’t work. #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 19th, 2009
corb21 @LitChat controversy, public outcry, obsessive fans….#litchat -1:28 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @rebeccawoodhead You’re ALWAYS blind to your own culture if you don’t travel #litchat -1:28 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Good point. RT @LexxClarke: @maggiedana perhaps your gender identity within a culture is more significant? #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @maggiedana I’m just saying if one can cross gender & other barriers why not cultural? Must one experience to write? I think no. #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @danish_novelist agree #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana The ‘forgiving eye.’ RT @danish_novelist: @rebeccawoodhead Youre ALWAYS blind to your own culture if you dont travel #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim RT @LexxClarke-notion of cultural fiction comes from some type of nostalgia or otherwise idealised view. I disagree. Others? #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
juxtabook @danish_novelist Does it make u feel Danish in US & American, or less Danish, in Denmark? Does being outside make it easier to see? #litchat -1:29 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke RT @danish_novelist: @rebeccawoodhead You’re ALWAYS blind to your own culture if you don’t travel #litchat very true -1:30 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat RT @danish_novelist: @rebeccawoodhead You’re ALWAYS blind to your own culture if you don’t travel #litchat [So agree!] -1:30 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @HyattBass Culture is so specific, like being part of the gang in the playground and knowing how to behave, but not why you do so. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @Eugenia_Kim What do you mean by “success”? This is such a broad and misunderstood word when applied to books. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @herstorian I had same experience (re: being Canadian) just from living in U.S. for 9 months. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Still thinking about @LexxClarke- I wonder if being part of a culture makes one more protective or less objective about it. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 19th, 2009
juxtabook @LexxClarke Nostalgia – yes I think that drives a lot of concepts of culture and nationhood. #litchat -1:31 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @CarolyBurnsBass Does the writing have the ring of truth? Do you feel immersed in a *different* time/place? Do you believe? #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @herstorian We all become pompous patriots if we stay at home. So if you can’t travel read some foreign lit #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @CarolyBurnsBass Um. That was in response to the word *success*. Would you agree? #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @pitchparlour Gang performs cultural brainwashing. #litchat -1:32 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @pitchparlour Or like being part of the gang in the playground, but always doubting your place within. #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @pitchparlour See what you mean…interesting point. Comparing Memoirs of Geisha & Eugenia_Kim’s book I think you’re right actually #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke that was more of a hypothetical than a statement of opinion btw @Eugenia_Kim #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
juxtabook @Eugenia_Kim Maybe more protective or even more negative about it. #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots Culture has state boundaries too. #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @juxtabook Nostalgia. Sentimentality. It doesn’t help though when writing I think. #litchat -1:33 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @HyattBass I’d agree with you that you don’t have to exper. everything, to write accurately about it. #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @Eugenia_Kim And yet there both nostalgia and sentimentality show up in books all the time. #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @Eugenia_Kim Excellent. I was hoping you would say that. Some writers equate success with quantity of books sold. –> #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @LexxClarke but thought provoking, so thanks! #litchat -1:34 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead English writers live on island – travelling to new countries is expected. In US there are many cultures but less foreign travel #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pussreboots State boundaries, yes! Mason Dixon line is one. #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Culture can be a divisive term, yet good cultural fiction is a uniting force — universal themes appeal #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @juxtabook After 2 weeks in the US I start to glorify Denmark. After 2 weeks in Denmark I start to glorify the US. #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @CarolyBurnsBass Everyone does that! That’s what creates culture in the first place. Hello extremism. #litchat -1:35 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @kashicat Agree on experience not required for accurate writing. See @HyattBass’s THE EMBERS. She does old man superbly. #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass RT @murzee: Culture can be a divisive term, yet good cultural fiction is a uniting force — universal themes appeal (agree!) #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke @Eugenia_Kim welcome :o) I also wonder if this is a conscious effort on the part of an author #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @murzee We all share universal themes, so always good to read about them from other side of fence. #litchat -1:36 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead *watches the Americans and makes notes* #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @rebeccawoodhead That theory about US/Canada explains why we look similar on the outside, but internal char. is very different #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @LexxClarke Tragic isn’t it? One read at fourteen you’re never rid of the beggar. #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @pussreboots Conversely, would Southern writers want to write Northern? #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @rebeccawoodhead There is a lot of lingering animosity. #litchat -1:48 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke Does our culture – in whatever form – define how we express emotions? #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Plenty examples Northern cultural fict — Snow Falling on Cedars is one; what about Hawthorne? #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @pussreboots but then what about memoirs of geisha by non-japanese writer. Couldn’t just as easily be northerner writing on south? #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @maggiedana Die hard southerners… probably not. #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim RT @pitchparlour-It’s when they leave that culture becomes defining. SO INTERESTING! #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @rebeccawoodhead Yes, as soon as someone brought up North/South in US, my own “it’s imagination” theory paused. #litchat -1:49 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke @pitchparlour read it in two hours on the day the copies were given out #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 19th, 2009
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rebeccawoodhead @pussreboots I noticed over there. Really interesting going from Boston, down to DC, then into Virginia etc. The stories change. #litchat -1:50 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @HyattBass I think someone growing up outside the range of original Civil War would have more luck than N vs S. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim RT @LexxClarke Does our culture-in whatever form-define how we express emotions? INTERESTING question. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim Birmingham Alabama or Birmingham West Midlands UK. If the latter, it isn’t just another country, it’s another world. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @pussreboots I had no idea ab. animosity till friend from Texas talked to me at length about it. So surprising to me, up in Canada. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @pitchparlour Possibly. I think many Americans live dual cultural lives–sometimes more than that…hence all the hyphenated Ams. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @HyattBass Memoirs of a Geisha has nothing to do w/ lingering bad feelings between N and S. #litchat -1:51 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead It’s harder to write about your own country’s divisions. Our class system is stifling so we ignore it. I unpicked it in my books.. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 19th, 2009
TheNewAuthor @rebeccawoodhead You are getting into a new realm when you bring up the North/South here in the States. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @kashicat I do not understand most of the south. As a Californian… it might as well be different country. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead ..not the most pleasant experience as I’ve been on both sides of it. #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass Maybe we Americans are just more sensitive to nuances between southern/northern culture than to Euro writing on Asia, etc…? #litchat -1:52 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @deberryandgrant @pitchparlour Hyphenated Americans, but I believe even w/in tightly closed cultures, there is more than one avail #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @rebeccawoodhead Much less than it ever was. #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke I found the culture as a bond of community very strong in the Ozarks #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @TheNewAuthor not really. That’s your cultural heritage. That’s interesting to outsiders. Just not easy to write from the inside #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Is it really North/South or coasts and middle? #litchat -1:53 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim So true. Do we need to be outside then, to see? RT @rebeccawoodhead-harder to write about your own country’s divisions. #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian @rebeccawoodhead: Agreed. North and South should be able to write each other’s stories, with research and imagination. #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @pitchparlour not true. Have you been on both sides of it? #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @pussreboots Think UR missing point ab totally diff cultures being able/unable to write ab ea other. Non-Geisha, non-Southerner etc #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim Doesn’t the hyphenation = an evermore pervasive attempt to belong? Why try to fit into a certain group? #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @pussreboots No, I’m just trying to say one can feel *compelled* to write about a culture which isn’t one’s own. #litchat -1:54 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass @kashicat yes–thanks, that’s what I meant. #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @HyattBass that’s my point. It’s harder to write what is closer to home. More uncomfortable to write the tensions. #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian I think regions in North Am. are not like other countries, but YES are very distinct, but in a diff. way. Am. regions still Am. #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @rebeccawoodhead Isn’t it impossible to be on both sides of it? #litchat -1:55 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb The research is key. Sometimes I read American characters in books by someone from another country and think: that misses the mark. #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @herstorian Maybe diff wrt North/South is that one *can’t* write ab. other cultures if you loathe them & can’t remove yrself? #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pitchparlour Re: Hyphens=attempt to belong. No, attempt to define identity I think. Mixed blood & cultures when pressure to be 1 #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @pitchparlour Why try to fit in? I think “belonging” is one of the most basic human desires! #litchat -1:56 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @herstorian Ams are Ams 1st, mid-Westerners (or whatever) 2nd. European are French (English, German, etc.) 1st, Europeans 2nd. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @pitchparlour nope. Not if you start off with postion then lose it. People judge by appearances. If I look like cr*p and keep … #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @wendykwebb Research is imp. but understanding is even more so. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @HyattBass Re: Feeling *compelled* to write about a culture which isn’t one’s own. I wd add, when a culture is only 1 part of self. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass Re all this north/south stuff & who can write about what, I keep thinking of earlier point: universal appeal = most important. #litchat -1:57 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @pitchparlour my mouth shut, they don’t suspect royal lineage, private education and titled friends (or high IQ interestingly) #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb @deberryandgrant Well said. #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @maggiedana No. Californians are Californians first and Americans second. Same is true for each state. #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @BenRubinstein Belonging, basic, yes, but when one is of multiple cultures, or you don’t *belong* to *yours* then what? #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @BenRubinstein Of course, but hyphenated Americanisms? British people don’t say I’m a Cornish-Scottish-Welshman. #litchat -1:58 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @maggiedana But that is b/c they are all different countries on same continent. Canadians, Mexicans & Americans r all Ams. But NOT #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian Yes! @herstorian Maybe diff wrt North/South is that one *can’t* write ab. other cultures if you loathe them & can’t remove yrself? #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
mmj5170 RT @deberryandgrant: @wendykwebb Research is imp. but understanding is even more so. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
latta #litchat consider achebe & ability to portray not only colonisers vs locals, but cult diffs w/in indigenous pops as well. -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
llapen @pitchparlour A point that is eloquently underscored in Kiran Desai’s The Inheritance of Loss. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat RT @pussreboots: @maggiedana No. Californians are Californians first and Americans second. Same is true for each state. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @Eugenia_Kim Multicultural night at school / work is rough when you’re a multigenerational mutt. #litchat -1:59 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @wendykwebb @deberryandgrant Research, understanding, and embodiment too. Native language helps, but is it required? #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @Eugenia_Kim Oh, I never said “belonging” was easy! That’s why the struggle makes so many great books! #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim Have you *seen* Phillips Idowu? Now that’s identity. Wiki him and meet an individual. #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian RT @Eugenia_Kim: Hyphens=attempt to belong. No, attempt to define identity I think. Mixed blood & cultures when pressure to be 1 #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee RT @HyattBass: …I keep thinking of earlier point: universal appeal = most important. [but cult context sets stage for story] #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @pitchparlour what interests me – having been deemed to be at both ends of the class scale – is that both suck in equal measure 🙂 #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass RT @latta: consider achebe ability to portray not only colonisers vs locals, but cult diffs w/in indigenous pops as well. (yes!) #litchat -2:00 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pitchparlour Hyphenations. We hyphenated LOOK *different* so we are already differentiated on outside. Hyphens clarify the whole. #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @deberryandgrant I read one writer who referred to “Ams” as “USians” which I really liked. Clunky, yes, but accurate! #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @pitchparlour Ah but do they say I’m Jamaican-British etc? I think hyphenation comes with newer cultural combos #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 19th, 2009
TheNewAuthor @rebeccawoodhead As they say – History is written by those who won. #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour Quite right! RT @pussreboots: @maggiedana Californians are Californians first and Americans second. Same is true for each state. #litchat -2:01 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @deberryandgrant By Am, I meant citizen of US. Sorry for being unclear. Don’t know what else to call US citizen. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @BenRubinstein I don’t like term USians. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @pitchparlour re: Phillips Idowu. Amazing. Individual. All that. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @murzee Cult. context IS the stage and can be used to help tell the story which may also be cultural but just as possibly not #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian Yes, except in Quebec. @maggiedana Ams are Ams 1st, mid-Westerners (or whatever) 2nd. European are French etc 1st, Europeans 2nd. #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @pitchparlour Ehhh just wait! I think that might change in Europe & UK. Might hear “Turkish-British” or some such! #litchat -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
latta #litchat i am a californian 1st- & no matter how long away, no other state could possibly be home. -2:02 PM Aug 19th, 2009
guyarceneaux Later all, going out for some “culture”#litchat -2:03 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb I was mildly offended when watching the Rene Zellw. movie abt living in rural Minnesota… no MNs on the writing staff, obviously. #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @pussreboots Why don’t you like “USian”? Other than it sounds ugly at first. #litchat -2:03 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @BenRubinstein I like it too. But how is it pronounced? U.S.-ians? USIANS? #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @herstorian Re: Ams are Ams 1st… Respectfully disagree. Too many immigrants in America. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pitchparlour @Eugenia_Kim Now that is a very good point. Doesn’t work so well in the UK. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @maggiedana I think the point would still stand, that Americans consider their state first. It’s regarded as union of sep. states. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana Am frankly surprised that being from specific state trumps US citizenship. #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @BenRubinstein I used to do that! – The USians thing #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LexxClarke Would you introduce yourself to a non North American as a Californian @latta ? #litchat -2:04 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb @maggiedana I don’t feel that way, but I do identify with being a Minnesotan. #litchat -2:05 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @deberryandgrant I’d say “U.S.ian” #litchat -2:05 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @maggiedana Ah, citizenship and cultural identity are different breeds. #litchat -2:05 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @maggiedana Until you are outside of the country. Then American is first in the hearts and on the lips of her countrymen #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
HyattBass RT @maggiedana: Am frankly surprised that being from specific state trumps US citizenship. (me too–makes me feel I’m back in TX!) #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim Wow, my head is swimming. Thanks all for an amazing session. I’ll be dreaming in colors tonight for sure! #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass I’m a second generation native Californian, but if asked my nationality, I would not say Californian, but American. #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian @BenRubinstein: Probably @justinelavaworm. She’s Australian and uses “USians.” #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee RT @maggiedana: …surprised that being from specific state trumps US citizenship. [Idaho=potatoes, NH=Yankee ingenuity, etc.] #litchat -2:06 PM Aug 19th, 2009
danish_novelist @wendykwebb The director was Danish. Maybe that had something to do with it #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @wendykwebb How does person from, say, Massachusetts or Connecticut refer to themselves? Yankee? #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant @maggiedana And I am not convinced that all states share the same level of pride… #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @Eugenia_Kim too many what? *Thinks about nature and history of America and becomes confused* #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee In MA it is the part of state that comes first — e.g., Boston, So/No Shore, Western MA. All have diff feel #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
kashicat @pitchparlour Interesting Here in Canada hyphenation isn’t so divisive. In many ways it’s a sign of “This is my branch of Canadian” #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
susanmpls Some of us self-describe as American and mention our state as a place of residence (rather than our identity). #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass Still, culture of NorCalifornia and SoCalifornia are different. In SF they still dress up for dinner, not so much in LA. #litchat -2:07 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb RT @CarolyBurnsBass… if asked my nationality, I would not say Californian, but American. I agree. #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Good cultural fxtn transcends cult stereotypes — how? #litchat -2:08 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian Agreed. In Cda, other than Qc, not true. RT @maggiedana: Am frankly surprised that being from specific state trumps US citizenship. #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @CarolyBurnsBass nationality is Californian? But.. ‘Nation’? ‘One nation under…’ no. Confused. Can’t go on. #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots @maggiedana Bay Stater, Massachusite, Massachusian, Massachusettser, Massachusetter, Massachusettean #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
agnieszkasshoes looks like I missed #litchat Catch you all next time. Goodnight twitterverse -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @murzee I love Boston. *Sigh* #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
Eugenia_Kim @rebeccawoodhead She was saying Americans think they’re Ams first. I said there are too many FOB immigrants here to make that true. #litchat -2:09 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb @pussreboots New Englander #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
BenRubinstein @susanmpls That’s funny. When I’m in Europe I identify as Canadian (I’m not). At least I did pre-Obama #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots Connecticuter or Nutmegger #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee Me 2 RT @rebeccawoodhead: @murzee I love Boston. *Sigh* #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian Good point. Meant US/Region. RT @Eugenia_Kim: @herstorian Re: Ams are Ams 1st… Respectfully disagree. Too many immigrants in Am. #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
deberryandgrant RT @susanmpls: Some of us self-describe as American and mention our state as a place of residence (rather than our identity). MANY #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
maggiedana @rebeccawoodhead VERY confusing, all this one nation — states’ rights stuff, isn’t it? #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian RT @LexxClarke: Would you introduce yourself to a non North American as a Californian @latta ? #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
pussreboots Americans for the most part think of their state first though. We have a lot of regional rivalries. #litchat -2:10 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat Mark your calendars now for more from @Eugenia_Kim, author of wonderful new novel THE CALLIGRAPHER’S DAUGHTER. #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
writergal85 @HyattBass i agree that w/ research & skill, a good writer can write about any culture and make it compelling, believable #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
LitChat We’ve wound past our scheduled 1-hr chat. Thanks for joining us today and please come back Friday, same time. #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
murzee u mean federalism? RT @maggiedana: @rebeccawoodhead VERY confusing, all this one nation — states rights stuff, isnt it? #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
herstorian RT @deberryandgrant: Until you are outside of the country. Then American is first in the hearts and on the lips of her countrymen #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
wendykwebb Thanks, all #litchat -2:11 PM Aug 19th, 2009
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