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07-01-09 Ebooks & Digital Readers, open chat 2

 The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on July 1, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion of ebooks and digital reading devices.

LitChat Welcome to LitChat! Had a few problems logging into TweetChat.com today, but I’m here and so are you. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar YAY! I MADE it! All kinds of internet problems, but this time I prevailed! #litchat -1:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Missed y’all Monday–had t-storms then got busy doing a book layout. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Please introduce yourself and we’ll get the chat started with our first question in just a moment. #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009
jodyreale Hi, @jodyreale here. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Q1 fm @MaggieDana Does the text design of ebook readers bother anyone? Is text easier or harder to read than normal book? No diff? #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat @MBrebner Congrats on meeting your #writegoal. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat I actually don’t mind the text. Then again, I can’t read for hours on end using Kindle bcause it begins to hurt my eyes. #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 Hello #litchat, I made it today, huzzah! #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots #LitChat The only ebooks I’ve read are PDFs and unless I zoom in a lot it’s harder on my eyes. Also harder to judge how far along I am. -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @zumayabooks–publisher and author. I find no difference provided formatting is done properly, with attn. to ease of reading. #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 So what’s everyone’s favorite reader/method of procurring ebooks? #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks I have color Palm, and have Mobi Reader set with gray background, dk red text. Very easy on the eyes. #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 I’m liking my new ipod touch, thought it would be too small, but’s it’s so much lighter than manuscripts! #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks If using a reader, need to experiment with various contrast settings to find which work best where. #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat If you have questions to pose to the chat, please send to @LitChat without the #litchat. I will post to chat. Thanks. #litchat -1:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 PublishingWorks is starting to use Zmags for online and downloadable e-books and arcs…is anyone else using them? #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @corb21 #litchat right now only on the computer either as PDF or through a browser. I don’t read on any other devices. -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw I love using the Kindle for iPhone. I can read in bed while my bf sleeps and I feel like I read faster. #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
George9Writer Hi there, @George9Writer here … my book is out in e-book formats, though I don’t own a reader … got my writing done today! #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @litchat sorry about that… 😦 overzealous. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat @Miranda_WHTLaw Can you explain what you mean by “using the Kindle for iPhone”? #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pussreboots where are you getting the ebook pdfs from? direct from publisher/author site or online bookstore?? #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat @corb21 No problem. I will repost the Q to the chat in just a bit. Thanks for being here today. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat Sure. The iPhone has a free Kindle application so you can have the benefits of a Kindle without buying it on its own. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @Miranda_WHTLaw does that app work on ipod touch as well? #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat Also, you can carry it with you anywhere that you have your phone since it’s a program on the phone. It’s very convenient. #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @corb21 Online sites… like FSF Mag (short stories), once from an author, Project Gutenberg. Have not bought any. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar Anyone use an ebook reader on BB Storm? Don’t even know if that is possible. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 I think it might, but I’m not sure. It should be available. It’s free, which is the best part! #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass Q1 @MaggieDana is a book designer and too bad she’s not here today to respond. Reading ebook PDF on PC vis hard on my eyes. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @TwinkleChar I have a BB curve and hear there are ways, but haven’t done it yet…. #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @Miranda_WHTLaw Wish they had that feature for Blackberry. :-/ I wont do an iPhone or a Kindle. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 The screen is smaller, obviously, but when you turn it sideways, you get a landscape view which is easier to read. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @Miranda_WHTLaw Am getting an iPhone, but must ask, don’t you get tired of scrolling through pages on such an itty-bitty screen? #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead hello tweeps. The only digital books I’ve read are on Nintendo DS – 100 books cartridge – don’t think you get it in US #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat Most PDFs on a screen I have to print out so I can read easily #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @Miranda_WHTLaw Just checked and it looks to work on Touch…downloading now… #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls so far have only read e-books on my computer. don’t prefer the reading exp., like to get comfy when reading and hard to do w/a PC. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead Enjoyed it though. Would buy Kindle or similar if I had the dosh but would never give up books – need them for book-baths #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @CarolyBurnsBass I do, but then again, I feel like I’m reading so fast that I don’t think about it. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @CarolyBurnsBass I would agree. I don’t think any electronic screen does our eyes any favours. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @fannyfae I’m sure BB is working on that given all the iPhone competition. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae What is more appealing: entering a room lined with books or entering a room with a kindle on a desk? No contest. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 Awesome. I hope you enjoy it! #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 Yes, I would also never give up books. I mostly only enjoy the ipod for reading manuscripts until they become books. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @susanmpls agree with that. Always have to print out manuscripts to edit as it feels wrong ‘reading’ them on screen once finished #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar @corb21 You are downloading app for your BB right now? #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @corb21 There’s a version of eReader for Blackberry. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots RT @fannyfae: What is more appealing: entering a room lined with books or entering a room with a kindle on a desk? No contest. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
sandara_bc #litchat I understand that the Kindle screen is not illuminated, so it should be much easier on the eyes than reading computer screen. -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw If the author is new to me, I’ll buy the cheaper book on Kindle. If I enjoyed the book, I might go buy it. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @fannyfae What’s better: dusting all those books or a Kindle. LOL #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find them more appealing. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw I always buy the books by my favorite authors since I’m guaranteed to love them and read them over again. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @fannyfae Books, definitely! #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @TwinkleChar no, the kindle for ipod touch app…. I would DL a BB app if I knew where to get it. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein #litchat @fannyfae Yeah, but that implies the value of books is to be seen, not read. Seems wrong. -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @fannyfae I agree with that for sure! I love books and shopping for books, etc. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
doart @LitChat everyone urges me to get a Kindle, but I worry that I’ll feel “lost” without pages to feel to judge my placement #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find ebooks more appealing. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Q2 fm @mdbenoit Do you read strictly on your Reader? If no, when do you use it? #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat And my bookcases won’t change formats over the years so that my books become unreadable. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks I dont mind the dusting. At least I know I can read in the tub! #litchat I saw a sanyo reader that ‘s much nicer than Kindle -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw I like the more intimate setting of reading/opening a book, and curling up. #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw I agree with that!! : ) RT @latta: when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find ebooks more appealing. #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @BenRubinstein The value of books is both. I constantly refer to my books – and books have value. Do kindle files have as much? #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw I think ebooks are great to help you discover new authors without shelling out a lot of money. #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots RT @kashicat: None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead rt kashicat: None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @_decode_ That’s definitely true. I find reading from a book in a quiet place therapeutic too! #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar I “ruin” my real book just right. Crimp pages. Write in front matter. Argue in margins. Sigh, star, underline, highlight .. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Attention bathtub/beach readers: I have two words for you. Ziploc bag #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead rt kashicat: And my bookcases won’t change formats over the years so that my books become unreadable. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @zumayabooks I’ll take dusting my books over a Kindle any day. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ RT I think ebooks are great to help you discover new authors without shelling out a lot of money. #litchat << s’all I do w them. -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
MoriahJovan @zumayabooks ROFLMAO!! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 No. Ebooks and Ereaders are cool, I’ll admit. But, I don’t believe books will become extinct at all. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks So, why are all of y’all anti-ebook folks here, again? 😉 #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead they’ve already put book smell into a can! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @zumayabooks Don’t want to put my books in a condom just to read them. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @pussreboots I’d rather dust a Sony Reader or the BeBook, myself. There ARE other readers out there, gang! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 I just don’t understand paying $400 for a Kindle then $10/book when the paperback is only $15.95 to start with. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @corb21 What about when the paperback is only $6.99? #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pussreboots HAHAHAHAHAHA! If anything’s worth RTing, that is! #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat confession: printed first e book I bought and read loose pgs. price is barrier, if readers were $100 or less then I’d buy. -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009
foliosociety The smell of old books in a can, ❤ http://bit.ly/QBxtc #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @westofmars that just furthers my point. #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @charliechap YES. I agree 100% #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae When the Kindle is less $$, less trendy, less of a status symbol, less proprietary, then maybe I will consider it. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @Miranda_WHTLaw I agree about discovering new authors. And I imagine readers would be handier on vacation or other trips too. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @corb21 People want books they can reread without storing. For some, the value is reading, not clutter/eyecandy #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw Agreed! RT @charliechap: I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @WestofMars what would you recc for ebook $$? #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein I think “tomes” lining walls are just as much of a status symbol as a kindle. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @corb21 My e-book is priced at $4.99 for a reason. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar When traveling, book handy in my BB would be nice–and light.Thought about trying it just to have my own book for easy reference #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead technological advances are exciting. I’d choose a kindle etc if travelling in place of a number of books. Kindle in bath? Never #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @WestofMars Agreed. I have no problem reading things on my laoptop in eBook format. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I’m not anti-ebook at all. Everyone has their preference. I also don’t think you’ll see 1st edition ebooks being collected. 8) #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
nicole_miller @LitChat Q1 I have a Kindle & I think the text design is great. It’s adjustable & readable. Also FAB to read with one hand on train #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @fannyfae There are other e-readers that fit the bill. Looked at any of them yet? #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein definitely. and piles of books at home or office are a fashion statement of sorts. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @BenRubinstein Actually where I live, they are good insulation in the winter. 😉 #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @WestofMars We’re working 2 figureout ebook pricing. But how not to ruin author’s royalties? Books aren’t overly lucrative as it is #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw @kashicat Oh yes. I enjoy discovering new authors and adding them to my ‘list’ of authors from whom I’ll always buy books. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CharleneEbert @charliechap I like the smell of books #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @BenRubinstein Yet maybe not status symbol in same way. I take comfort on depressed days from looking at my books on shelves. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar @Corb21 Thank you, kind sir. Hear author APPLAUDING! #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @WestofMars I have seen the Sanyo. That 1 is ok. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @rebeccawoodhead #litchat Not even if Kindle was waterproof? Dropping paperback = disaster, dropping waterproof e-reader = NBD. -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Q3 fm @George9Writer What’s the best way to give your e-book away for free? #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @corb21 I make a better royalty on my e-book from Lulu than anywhere else except hard copy bought directly from me. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat One tradition will be lost if it’s only readers: author book signings! Or people will have to carry autograph bks again #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
nicole_miller Q2: I read on my reader when I don’t have a choice. I’ll buy to the reader, but if I’m given a physical book, I guess I’ll switch…#litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I do, however, see that printed books will inevitably decline as new generations adopt technology. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
nicole_miller Q3: umm… why would anyone give away their reader? as a promotional item? haha #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @npilon I would never trust a piece of electronics to be waterproof. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
insidebooks @LitChat Q3 I thought the Burnt Shadows 24 hr download was a great free giveaway that seemed to have worked. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
seekzpeace RT @charliechap I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @corb21 That is the other issue. Amazon is not overly generous on author cuts for eBooks #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
nicole_miller Q2: I read on my reader unless I don’t have a choice. I’ll buy to the reader, but if given a physical book, I guess I’ll switch…#litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @npilon It would have to be waterproof for sure. No electrocution in the bath! #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @charliechap from looking at the current younger generations thrilled at checking out books at library… books are alive and well #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
alonelyargonaut @BenRubinstein I would agree but there is a tactile browsability and indexibility with print books that is irreproducable digitally #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @fannyfae Amazon isn’t overly generous to authors on ANY sales. Print or e-. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @pussreboots yes ppl will always read print books. it’s a perfect technology. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @pussreboots I’m happy for that! Do you think given the option of getting a free reader and digital library access would be same? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @pussreboots But is that because they haven’t been given the option to read onscreen? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kariannebgilje RT @LitChat Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw 🙂 I love the smell of new books. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @WestofMars You know, I was going to say that but I didn’t want to start an argument by those who thought otherwise! 😉 #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @alonelyargonaut No, I disagree. With metadata available instantly, digital books are more indexable/searchable/interconnected. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @pussreboots Just asked my kid: choose between same book on puter or an actual book., He chose book. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein but is that more useful for fiction or nonfiction? does ebook use/interest vary by genre? #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @charliechap I don’t know. Young kids really like illustrations and tactile experiences when reading. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat As records person I’m horrified to know that a mere 3 generations of technology change us’ly renders 4th-back generation unreadable #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I just remember the evolution of calculators. Now every school child has one. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae When Kindle can get me a translation of Cortilz de Sandras’ “Memoirs of M. Le Comte de Rochefort” – then we’ll talk #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Miranda_WHTLaw RT @_decode_: @Miranda_WHTLaw 🙂 I love the smell of new books. #litchat [Me too!! I thought I was weird to think that. lol] -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @BenRubinstein When that technology is turned on. A lot of online books aren’t indexed except for brief previews. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila Hi everyone! Just popping in. No ebook yet for me, in Europe they’re less successful (no kindle yet) but I could get used to it #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @fannyfae What were you going to agree with? The royalties from Amazon or kids and e-books? #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I do think there’s more of a sense of “ownership” when you hold something tangible that ebooks will never replace. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT @bostonbibliophl: @BenRubinstein but is that more useful for fiction or nonfiction? does ebook use/interest vary by genre? #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @bostonbibliophl Interesting point! And I’m not sure! Seems more useful for nonfiction, which isn’t as popular yet in ebook, true. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @charliechap My children don’t use calculators. Not allowed yet. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl w/ebooks, what about evolution of technology? if kindle superceded, do I keep books? do i have to buy again? print is mine forever. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @bostonbibliophl #litchat the genre I read most in ebook form is scifi… old back issues of FSF when they are made available. -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
alonelyargonaut @BenRubinstein i’ll grant you indexable, but browsable. there is more fluidity in a book from a shelf and thumbing through it #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein academics/scholars might like ebooks for fiction for that reason though. general reader, not so sure. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @charliechap nearly everything I read is on ebook but I still have a small collection of print books 🙂 There’s room for both #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat I’m still not sure what people do when ereader crashes. Do they have all these books backed up somewhere? Or have to repurchase? #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @bostonbibliophl Agreed. Print is mine forever =) #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @WestofMars Mine know how to use a calculator but they do their math homework w/ pencil / paper and fingers #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Nobilis @LitChat @George9Writer The best way to give your e-book away for free depends on what your goals are in giving it. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae Also, when they can get me the scholarly sources I need in Egyptology for ex. – not mainstream , then maybe I wil get one. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar @PennyAsh. Yes. Yes. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitHousewife @bostonbibliophl This is the same issue with music as technology changes. #litchat I don’t think there are any answers. -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @charliechap and we already know there are problems w/amazon and access. what’s the next problem going to be? #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pussreboots @charliechap I know ReadSmart is working to maintain integrity of design, which Kindle throws out the window… #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @kashicat Most ebook vendors store purchases in online library. Available whenever desired. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @LitHousewife my answer is not to buy ebooks 🙂 #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ #litchat I use a kindle app on my Ipod Touch, and another book reader. -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Bear in mind, most ebook limitations result from DRM requirements imposed by PUBLISHERS not ebook vendors. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @LitHousewife libraries have been dealing w/these questions for years. now general public faces them too. interesting. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Q4 fm corb21 Has anyone used/heard of ReadSmart for iphon/ipod touch? #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @BrooksSigler hey, #litchat is happening on ebooks right now… join us? -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar @zumayabooks. Same with audible.com Once I buy, I can download in lots of formats, and it’s always in my online library. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks So you just download them over again, free of charge? #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila If I could choose I’d read non-fiction on ebook format and my favorite novels on paper #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
sandara_bc @kashicat Oops forgot #litchat. Kindle keeps a record so you can recover lost data. -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @PennyAsh I agree. There is room for both. Why buy another device when I have a laptop? #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh #litchat Also do all my ebook reading on the laptop, don’t own a reader -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @kashicat Yes. In fact, you can’t get rid of them even if you want to. LOL #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I do see a great potential for a reader that incorporates sounds, music, animation, etc. to enhance the reading experience. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @coolrewards join in the chat on #litchat – follow on the hashtag search page -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @fannyfae Exactly #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots RT @fannyfae: @PennyAsh I agree. There is room for both. Why buy another device when I have a laptop? #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @zumayabooks I disagree. Kindle RUINS many of our books’ designs, NOT something we WANT to happen, can’t be helped with formating #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks @sandara_bc I suppose then we’d just have to make sure vendor never went out of business. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BrooksSigler @corb21 I’m here! I’m trying to write, too–now you know why I want to primal scream. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @kashicat Even if the books go out of print, your purchased copy remains available. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @llunalila I’m just the opposite, I want my research books in paper #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
unbridledbooks RT @LitChat: Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @sandara_bc But will Kindle eventually pull an iTunes and have your content expire? #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein Ugh, imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I read ebooks on my PC all the time. Again, NOT anti-eBook! Preference is book first, then ebook =) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar @pussreboots Because not handy in crowded places. Don’t alway shave laptop with. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @LitChat I don’t own either iphone or itouch… (Q4) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae I have Audio books on my iPod – I listen while driving. That is useful technology. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @BrooksSigler well you can write your next book straight to e. (can you believe that sentence makes sense?) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @corb21 Oy. Ain’t that the formatting truth. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks The driving element for ebooks is content NOT design. Complaining about loss of prettiness misses the point. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks As long as vendor still exists, yes? #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @TwinkleChar That’s where the old handy dandy book comes in. I leave my lap top at home. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae Itunes, once you download something, it is YOUR responsibility to back it up. And if your HD or your iPod goes out not their prob. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @westofmars ebooks could put designers out of jobs… straight text just isn’t the same… #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
George9Writer @Nobilis giving away for free (all or part) for maximum exposure #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat Not against ebooks, but I know how changes in technology lose data, as records person. But I can still read 200-yr old bks. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @PennyAsh I tend to do most of my research online, or if I can’t I type the info I need to use, to have it on my computer when need #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @zumayabooks it’s not a minor point sometimes. browse rare bkstore & tell me it’s no loss to lose beauty & design. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @BenRubinstein Only once publishers figure out copyright issues #litchat (re nonfiction online indexing) -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BrooksSigler Did someone mention that book FREE, yet? #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @kashicat The same could be said for print library, which could disappear in fire, flood, or tornado. Can nitpick issue to death. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitHousewife @bostonbibliophl Technology is certainly a double-edged sword. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae So what about putting a book in Adobe format? I mean the program isnt that expensive & distribution can be easier. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @zumayabooks Heard the same thing about websites and blogs and yet there are still web designers paid to make both look pretty. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat OK, so I cd see ebooks for sheer content. Reports, encyclopedias, data that’s just there for utilitarian use, not for art. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @zumayabooks but if losing the design loses part of the charm/meaning/emphasis of the book you’re stripping the reader of that #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @bostonbibliophl Not the point. Repeat: reading ebooks is CONTENT-DRIVEN. Not about design or aesthetics. Comparison isn’t valid. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @zumayabooks I think the e-text debate goes beyond design, but readability and eye strain because of screen flicker. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 copyright issues are a HUGE factor in how ebooks get out. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @llunalila I use some pretty obscure research books but I notice more and more are available as ebooks #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots RT @bostonbibliophl: it’s not a minor point sometimes. browse rare bkstore & tell me it’s no loss to lose beauty & design. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
dolbsterthepoet I love the way a book feels in my hands, how it sits on your shelf/desk reminding you to read it Ebooks lack this but I do use them #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @zumayabooks It’s not just prettiness that gets lost with transfer to Kindle. I lost punctuation and words. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @zumayabooks exactly and that is what for me makes it so bland and boring. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @corb21 Then don’t do that book as an ebook. Why does everyone seem determined it has to be either/or instead of and? #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks True, tho electronics crash more often than apts (or libraries) burn down. I’d always want paper to back up ebook heh #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @fannyfae PDFs are my favorite format for ebooks. Because they can be made to look like print form and can be printed. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw Definitely not! It’s so much fun. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks Yes, a library can disappear Last yr in Cedar Rapids, IA the library lost some 290K books. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @corb21 What sort of design are you talking? I can see lots of room for clever page design and layout on a good e-reade3r. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @zumayabooks you don’t always know what’s going to get lost in translation until it happens. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @pussreboots I use a pda for reading out in the world 🙂 Carry my whole library with me #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
EmLocke RT @BenRubinstein Imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
dolbsterthepoet It’s really strange but I can’t listen to audiobooks, nothing sinks in and I don’t engage with the plot #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @PennyAsh Mine have been pretty mainstream so far. This new project is asking for further research, don’t know yet what will need #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @WestofMars That’s bad submission document formatting. Not Kindle’s fault. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @westofmars yes, I agree, sorry, I’m talking print designers. The two don’t always overlap. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks It was the worst library loss in the history of the US and they dont even have a complete lest of what they lost. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @zumayabooks Yep lost my entire library twice in floods #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
mmj5170 @zumayabooks I agree. I see a split for at least the near future. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009
macmillacademic RT @BenRubinstein Imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009
sandara_bc @WestofMars #litchat That, I don’t know. -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks If you don’t want to read ebooks, don’t read them. The ebooks bad/print good debate is done. Move on. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @dolbsterthepoet I tune out audio books too. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat Took us more than 5 yrs. to sort out rights info for digi bks. & 4+ yrs to scan it all (still in progress). takes $ and time. -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @PennyAsh I don’t need to carry my whole library with me. I only have time for ONE book at a time. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pennyash @zumayabooks if your apt floods or burns down with your kindle in it…you’re loosing that too #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat I’d still like to know what people think of fact that it only takes 3 generations of tech change to make 4th generation unreadable. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Audiobooks are best on long drives by yourself, that’s what got me hooked #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
rebeccawoodhead @coolrewards books ARE a thing of beauty. Collected books 200yrs+ from my teens. Get on #litchat. They love book fans -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009
thumbelinablues @BenRubinstein Both take disposable income (=sexy), but only tomes take up real estate; space to waste in NYC=status(=shaggable) #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks Apparently it’s not done for some of us. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Great convo going on today. Looks like ebooks are on the rise, but traditionally printed books are still cherished. Continue on… #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
sandara_bc #litchat I travel a lot. M/home full of books – plane ride with pounds of books – e-books have great appeal, just o/c the weight facor. -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @pennyash I lost quite a few books in a basement flood, including some rare scifi. Still pains me! #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @mmj5170 Yes, but that was Egyptian history. 😉 #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @corb21 Yes, but I can then buy another Kindle/eBookwise/Sony/Palm and not have to replace the books. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat I don’t think it’s either/or. It’s just that electronic data is much easier to lose as technology keeps developing. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
skyladawn RT: @zumayabooks: If you don’t want to read ebooks, don’t read them. The ebooks bad/print good debate is done. Move on. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @rebeccawoodhead I love everything from comic books to ebooks and audiobooks and back again #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
bostonbibliophl @sandara_bc that’s something i can get behind! #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WestofMars @zumayabooks I’m not the only person who’s faced it. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Ebooks are content that is eminently portable. If your main goal is reading, they’re an excellent alternative, esp. for the mobile. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots RT @kashicat: I don’t think it’s either/or. It’s just that electronic data is much easier to lose as technology keeps developing. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks There are equally good reasons for print books, and both formats have advantages over the other. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009
nicole_miller @LitChat Do I have to bring out the old analogy of folks not wanting to give up their horses either? geez… #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass @fannyfae Many ebooks are already available in Adobe PDF and can be downloaded to computers and readers. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks People have been reading ebooks, some of them to the exclusion of print books, for more than a decade. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT @zumayabooks: There are equally good reasons for print books, and both formats have advantages over the other. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @charliechap I’m slowly building back up. I think my out of print archeology books grieve me the most #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @nicole_miller Good analogy. It costs thousands of bucks to replace vehicles too, as new technology develops. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @pennyash Ouch! #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks And then there is the fact that ebooks can be more accessible for those with certain disabilities. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @zumayabooks don’t think either is bad. Just serve dif purposes depending on reader. To me they mean ease of use & less weight #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @pussreboots But what if you’re not in the mood to read that book and want something else 🙂 #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
balletbookworm #litchat lurking a bit today; I’d be more interested in ebooks if there was a way to put currently owned paper books on it (a la iPod) -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 I think publishers are in a bit of a conundrum as they don’t want to see books go down, but ebooks are (or seem to be) a threat #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks I have post-polio syndrome, and holding up a heavy book gets painful after a while. Not so with my Kindle/Palm/eBookwise. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @PennyAsh It;s the rare and hard2 find 1’s that are hardest to lose. I have some that there may be just a few copies in the world #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta but what about protection of intellectual property rights for authors? ebook piracy has increased incrementally w/popularity & tool #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT @zumayabooks: And then there is the fact that ebooks can be more accessible for those with certain disabilities. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @PennyAsh that should be really painful! Sorry! I’d be mad at loosing any of my books, so out of prints would be terrible 😦 #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @corb21 In a flood toss it in the purse and get out. In a fire just run, most ebooks are still downloadable after you buy #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls @balletbookworm if pub offered free e edition of a print bk you own wld you download it? no idea how to implement, tho #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 I agree that both formats have legs, but it’s putting a lot of people in a frenzy and some companies out of business #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @pussreboots #litchat I think it’s only a matter of time. Look at digital watches. Considerably cheaper, but… -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh Heh. So you have 2 or 3 books with you. 😛 #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @corb21 I don’t think publishers see ebooks as a threat. Publishers sell lots of ebooks! Only if more self-pub because of ebooks. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @latta YES! That’s one of the biggest problems! #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae And the chance of them EVER being made into an ebook format are slim to none. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Pirates won’t buy books. People who obtain from pirates won’t buy books. Returns get pulped. Loss is loss. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
brandingdavid @kashicat So what kind of formats should my book be in? And what’s a good self-printing service? #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks My reading aunt, who also had the post-polio problem, would have loved ebooks, I think #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @llunalila One of the reasons I try to store my important books highest #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ #litchat Okay, I’m back. Was participating in a radio chat. -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @benrubinstein working in a publishing house I can see why its’ viewed as a threat, there’s little to be made for the pub and auth #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks You factor in a percentage to cover it, keep an eye out for the ones you can catch & assume majority of people in world r honest. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
balletbookworm @susanmpls #litchat don’t know if I would, for sure, but I might be more interesting in getting ereader, etc, also not sure about logistics -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
coolrewards #litchat Our lovely inner-city school library has a 1st Edition Harry Potter – Phil Stone. We would love to be able to show it. -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @susanmpls Only if that publisher made it accss’bl to me through the tech I currently own. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @fannyfae Are you sure? Are they of the sort that might end up in the Google Library program? #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh I don’t really think fire/flood is good argt (even tho I used). They’re so rare, whole philosophy shouldn’t be based on #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @charliechap Lost a few of my stories too #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 it’s the potential to replicate content, theiving e-rights and royalties. Yes, we have similar issues in print, but it’s harder. #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass As a writer, I constantly remind myself that I write the content for books in the form of stories and articles. —> more #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @corb21 I work in a pub. house too, and we try to recognize that you adapt & change models. No use in fear & twiddle thumbs. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009
CarolyBurnsBass —> cont. The content I write can be turned into a book in any form, but the content is not the book. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009
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kashicat @brandingdavid Oh boy. Heh. Well, some publishers see success of ebooks & pick up to publish in paper. So it works both ways. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
redRavine QM: Catching up. Useful info. RT @LitChat: Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Pirates were scanning print books and making them available on Usenet in 1996. Not as if it hasn’t been going on at full tilt since #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @fannyfae #litchat Those are the ones you store as safely as possible and insure, I have stamps like that -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
dolbsterthepoet @PennyAsh might give that a try next time I have a long drive in front of me #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat This is such a strong topic, please continue as long as you wish. Am learning quite a bit thanks to all of you. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks Yes. Very sure. Egyptology bks are VERY expensive, and very specialised and there isnt enough itnerest by eBbook pubs #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein There is “replicated content” in print & no one cares. Called “loaning to a friend.” #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @latta It’s not just ebooks, I’ve seen print books come out on the pirate groups a week before they come out in print #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar Pub wouldn’t send electronic copy to author for endorsement purposes, saying too easy to pirate. Pubs here, pls weigh in. #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009
publishingworks @BenRubinstein Yes, publishers need to pursue different media for sales, but corb21 is right about lower p.m. for pubs #litchat #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae And by the time Google gets it, its public domain and clearly out of date material. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @susanmpls Baen books does this with their online library. Some great books too #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta @pennyash actually i have seen quite a bit of data on the subject. prior to rapid increase in popularity of ebk format was trivial #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @BenRubinstein it’s not the same, when you loan it to a friend, you can’t read it at same time. Or you don’t loan it to 50 friends #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @benrubinstein I’m not talking about loaning, I’m talking about pirating. There’s always a share factor…it’s called libraries. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat But what if you can’t carry them all 😛 It evens out 🙂 #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @BenRubinstein and lending is a way to create readers, not to destroy books 🙂 #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pennyash… that’s what I’m talking about, WAY easier to pirate e-content. It creates a fear mainly in authors… #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @fannyfae Wasn’t my question. If they’re the sort likely to be in university libraries, it’s likely they’ll be scanned. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @llunalila @benrubinstein I agree, lending is good. Undercutting sales and robbing royalties are bad. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @fannyfae Would then be available via Google if settlement is approved. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta when scanning was done it was largely in flat text and time consuming, and had to be read on pc. piracy now in next gen due to pop. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh Hee! I really don’t get bored with a current book or change books that quickly on one trip. So not an issue for me. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @benrubinstein I agree that adapting is good. We’re moving to ebooks some too, but there is a fear out there esp w. authors #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @llunalila #litchat So? Why does it matter that I can loan it to a friend while I’m still reading it? That would boost sales. -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I have a taiwan printed copy of Stranger in a Strange Land printed in the 70s. Pirating takes many forms. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat How about this argt, ebooks are getting people to read who wouldn’t pick up a print book. I say there’s a place for both #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009
publishingworks Our goal is to keep people reading and buying books in any form. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks Would that not be a violation of copyright the same as say a photocopy of a book? #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @corb21 #litchat These would be the same libraries that were going to destroy the publishing industry? “Why buy when you can borrow”, yes? -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @npilon to me it doesn’t matter, I love sharing and talk about books all the time but I can understand the fear from piracy #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta don’t think folks suggesting mutual exclusivity. growing pains and new legal issues make for thorny path, and compromises for all. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
TwinkleChar This author has no fear. Pub house had fear of sending requested e-file to possible endorser (traveling), siting possible piracy. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @zumayabooks Exactly, pirates will pirate any way they can (been pirated 3 times I know of) #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh I agree with you there. I just worry, as I’ve said, about loss of data after 4 generations of tech change. It happens. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks I confess, I hv a copy of a book that I shouldn’t have but I needed it for my research. If you want it u’l get it. #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @llunalila #litchat I can understand the fear, but I think it has no basis in fact. I think it’s destructive. Piracy is a paper tiger. -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ #litchat Re: buy vs borrow: If we’re talking regular books? If it’s an author I’m not sure I’ll like, I borrow. Once I’ve read some, I buy -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Helped me when I was moving and had 5 hour drives each way #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @kashicat #litchat Lots of examples of loss of digital data. Formats and storage media have to be picked very carefully when archiving. -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @llunalila Maybe getting ahead of ourselves. Book piracy isn’t “destroying books.” Like music (iTunes) distrib/sales models exist #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks RT @publishingworks: Our goal is to keep people reading and buying books in any form. [Exactly!!] #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @fannyfae Not always, had a friend involved in the Google Books lawsuit, his book was only a few months old #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @PennyAsh Google Books? #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @corb21 If book is good, enough reader will look for other books by same author, or to own his copy #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap Yes, there is room for any medium. Look at photography and how it’s changed. #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @npilon Exactly my pt. I’ve seen warehouses of data tossed (literally lost) bec tech changes made them unreadable even when careful #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein Note, “napster” happened because no legal way to fill that demand, not because people wouldn’t pay #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
LitChat Q5 fm @susanmpls What would readers think a pub destroying last copy of a book to scan and republish in electronic form? #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Google book settlement gives Google authority to offer for sale downloads of books in database. Already do it with Book Search. #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @llunalila This is very true. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @npilon the libraries at least buy a book, host events…I don’t think ebooks will “ruin the industry” but changes are major #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ brb everyone a #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks Baen understood that free can lead to sales, hence the huge success of the Baen Library. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @charliechap Yet there are those who mourn loss of artistic forms that can’t possibly ever be reproduced digitally #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae Napster actually incited me to buy more CD’s rather than less. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 Google somehow is currently allowed 2 create “cache” files of whole books, strip passwords to allow everyone in…there are holes #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks If get past the mindset of wringing every dime out of every copy, then the pirate menace loses much of its scariness. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap I would say NO WAY. Destroy the Dead Sea Scrolls to make them digital? Nope. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @latta Dunno, I do remember seeing the Bill Clinton book out on pirate boards a week before it’s official release in print #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat I work for a univ press & we have 1,431 bks avail in eformat to libraries. our print biz has not been hurt by that. -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks Gives Google “Authority”? Are authors ok with that or are these public domain books? #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @llunalila YES. that’s what we want to happen. #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
llunalila @LitChat Q5 at least that would be a way for anyone to read that book otherwise nobody could, or only few chosen ones #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks @fannyfae 140 characters insufficient to explain. Lots of references online. Just…Google it. LOL #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT @charliechap: I would say NO WAY. Destroy the Dead Sea Scrolls to make them digital? Nope. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
redRavine QM: Sorry I missed this today. RT @LitChat: Looks like ebooks are on the rise, but traditionally printed books are still cherished. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT @zumayabooks: If get past mindset of wringing every dime out of every copy, then the pirate menace loses much of its scariness. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks On the other hand, if there’s a digital copy, disaster befalling Dead Sea Scrolls would be slightly less painful. #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @charliechap But have you seen that British Library thing where Codex Sinaiticus is being unified digitally? So cool!! #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @corb21 Pirates are going to pirate whatever they can get their hands on, I can’t stop it so I deal with it #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @zumayabooks I will do that. #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009
zumayabooks With technology improvements, no longer necessary to damage work to scan it. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @fannyfae Many independent musicians actually did get *more* sales bc of Napster, not less, & were horrified it got shut down. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat I read very fast 🙂 have to in my profession 🙂 #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 @pennyash that’s true. But I know many of our authors are in major fear of ebooks making it that much easier for them. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @zumayabooks Many publishers now offer free ebooks of author’s last bk, as promo for next one. That’s really working too. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @PennyAsh Then I’ll just have to wait and put a different book in my purse when I get home. No big deal. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat Maybe room for a whole new profession of data updaters? #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
corb21 Setting the record straight, I am ok with ebooks. I’m still in favor of print, but agree that we must adapt as an industry. #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
pussreboots @npilon Watches and books are apples and oranges. #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @_decode_ Google’s online book project to put every book online for people to read #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat @charliechap What if it weren’t the dead sea scrolls but something like Snelling’s Tales of the NorthWest pub’d in 1936? -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Linda Howard Alone was a good one, The Mummy – Anne Rice is good too #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @kashicat EXACTLY! free DLs help everyone but MEGA BLOCKBUSTERS that only get DLed by people who wouldn’t have bought in 1st place #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @kashicat Yes & I could get long out of print music that way. It seemed so stupid to shut it down – then in comes iTunes. #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh As records person, I often thought of getting together one of ea. old technology, so data wdn’t be lost. If I had $$ #litchat -2:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
BenRubinstein @corb21 Yeah, there are statistics you can research that show giveaways help. If stats don’t help… good luck :-p #litchat -2:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009
latta here is what a major university press has to say about the goog case http://bit.ly/afstB; perhaps it’ll help the conversation #litchat -2:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @corb21 Not as many as you’d think. Most just turn it over to their publisher’s legal team #litchat -2:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @kasikat Yep. Love that stuff. As long as it can be digitized in a non-destructible way, I’m down =) #litchat -2:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009
WifeofWriter ::grin:: RT: There is “replicated content” in print & no one cares. Called “loaning to a friend.” #litchat (via @BenRubinstein) -2:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat And there’s the biggest problem, it all comes down to $$ #litchat -2:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @charliechap Yes. I’m all for digitally preserving rare or disappearing things; I’d never argue against anything like that #litchat -2:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap For those wanting to create PDFs, free PDF software. Very nice: http://bit.ly/v6IF0 #litchat -2:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @PennyAsh Doesn’t everything come down to $$ sooner or later? <g> Something wrong with that. But a whole other conversation, ha! #litchat -2:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat @kashicat do you have data on free digi copy of last volume as promo for new bk actually helping sales? -2:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @kashicat LOL yep $$ and the lack thereof #litchat -2:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @susanmpls No I don’t. Perhaps I shouldn’t have assumed, just because so many publishers are doing it. #litchat -2:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009
fannyfae @charliechap Thanks for the PDF link. My Adobe creator is a bit old. 😉 #litchat -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
George9Writer #litchat Literature, artifacts printed on paper,parchment,vellum etc MUST be digitized, as they will not last forever & are part of culture -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @ThaBookie It’d put me to sleep 😀 Much rather read the new China Meiville #litchat -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009
charliechap @fannyfae Happy to be of service! 8) #litchat -2:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat RT@George9Writer: #litchat Liter, artifacts on paper,parchment,vellum etc MUST be digitized, will not last forever & part of culture -2:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009
_decode_ @PennyAsh Oh. Hmm. #litchat -2:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @George9Writer #litchat Artifacts printed on paper have a better success rate at long-term archival than digital right now. -2:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @npilon So perhaps we should do both paper and digital archiving, to cover all the bases. 🙂 #litchat -2:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
slkeeth @LitChat Guess it depends on what book it is. Can you not scan w/o destroying? #litchat -2:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls #litchat @slkeeth you can scan w/o destroying a book, but it costs more. -2:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009
PennyAsh @slkeeth For somthing like dead Sea Scrolls they photograph then scan those #litchat -2:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls @kashicat some places to both paper and digi archiving. JSTOR, for instance. #litchat -2:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009
susanmpls @kashicat some places do both paper and digi archiving. JSTOR, for instance. #litchat -2:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009
kashicat @susanmpls Hee! I knew what you meant despite the typo. (Though I’d have done the same.) #litchat -2:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009
SueCookcom Just back from lively debate about my new novel ‘Force of Nature’ at great bookshop called ‘Jaffe and Neale’ at Chipping Norton #litchat -3:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Nobilis @George9Writer #litchat I don’t know what you mean by “exposure”. -3:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Nobilis @npilon #litchat All archiving takes energy and effort. Digital archiving takes less, per unit of data, than paper does. -3:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009
Nobilis @npilon #litchat The .txt format is just as readable now as it ever was. What’s the problem? -3:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009
npilon @Nobilis #litchat Archiving ebooks as text once they start taking advantage of the medium. Things like graphics, links don’t translate well. -3:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009
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