07-01-09 Ebooks & Digital Readers, open chat 2
The transcript below covers the complete #litchat conversation on July 1, 2009. The order appears sequentially from the first post to the final post. Topic was open discussion of ebooks and digital reading devices.
| LitChat Welcome to LitChat! Had a few problems logging into TweetChat.com today, but I’m here and so are you. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar YAY! I MADE it! All kinds of internet problems, but this time I prevailed! #litchat -1:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Missed y’all Monday–had t-storms then got busy doing a book layout. #litchat -1:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Please introduce yourself and we’ll get the chat started with our first question in just a moment. #litchat -1:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| jodyreale Hi, @jodyreale here. #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Q1 fm @MaggieDana Does the text design of ebook readers bother anyone? Is text easier or harder to read than normal book? No diff? #litchat -1:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat @MBrebner Congrats on meeting your #writegoal. #litchat -1:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat I actually don’t mind the text. Then again, I can’t read for hours on end using Kindle bcause it begins to hurt my eyes. #litchat -1:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 Hello #litchat, I made it today, huzzah! #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots #LitChat The only ebooks I’ve read are PDFs and unless I zoom in a lot it’s harder on my eyes. Also harder to judge how far along I am. -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @zumayabooks–publisher and author. I find no difference provided formatting is done properly, with attn. to ease of reading. #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 So what’s everyone’s favorite reader/method of procurring ebooks? #litchat -1:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks I have color Palm, and have Mobi Reader set with gray background, dk red text. Very easy on the eyes. #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 I’m liking my new ipod touch, thought it would be too small, but’s it’s so much lighter than manuscripts! #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks If using a reader, need to experiment with various contrast settings to find which work best where. #litchat -1:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat If you have questions to pose to the chat, please send to @LitChat without the #litchat. I will post to chat. Thanks. #litchat -1:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 PublishingWorks is starting to use Zmags for online and downloadable e-books and arcs…is anyone else using them? #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @corb21 #litchat right now only on the computer either as PDF or through a browser. I don’t read on any other devices. -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw I love using the Kindle for iPhone. I can read in bed while my bf sleeps and I feel like I read faster. #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| George9Writer Hi there, @George9Writer here … my book is out in e-book formats, though I don’t own a reader … got my writing done today! #litchat -1:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @litchat sorry about that… 😦 overzealous. #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat @Miranda_WHTLaw Can you explain what you mean by “using the Kindle for iPhone”? #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pussreboots where are you getting the ebook pdfs from? direct from publisher/author site or online bookstore?? #litchat -1:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat @corb21 No problem. I will repost the Q to the chat in just a bit. Thanks for being here today. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat Sure. The iPhone has a free Kindle application so you can have the benefits of a Kindle without buying it on its own. #litchat -1:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @Miranda_WHTLaw does that app work on ipod touch as well? #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @LitChat Also, you can carry it with you anywhere that you have your phone since it’s a program on the phone. It’s very convenient. #litchat -1:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @corb21 Online sites… like FSF Mag (short stories), once from an author, Project Gutenberg. Have not bought any. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar Anyone use an ebook reader on BB Storm? Don’t even know if that is possible. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 I think it might, but I’m not sure. It should be available. It’s free, which is the best part! #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass Q1 @MaggieDana is a book designer and too bad she’s not here today to respond. Reading ebook PDF on PC vis hard on my eyes. #litchat -1:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @TwinkleChar I have a BB curve and hear there are ways, but haven’t done it yet…. #litchat -1:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
fannyfae @Miranda_WHTLaw Wish they had that feature for Blackberry.  I wont do an iPhone or a Kindle. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 The screen is smaller, obviously, but when you turn it sideways, you get a landscape view which is easier to read. #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass @Miranda_WHTLaw Am getting an iPhone, but must ask, don’t you get tired of scrolling through pages on such an itty-bitty screen? #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead hello tweeps. The only digital books I’ve read are on Nintendo DS – 100 books cartridge – don’t think you get it in US #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat Most PDFs on a screen I have to print out so I can read easily #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @Miranda_WHTLaw Just checked and it looks to work on Touch…downloading now… #litchat -1:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls so far have only read e-books on my computer. don’t prefer the reading exp., like to get comfy when reading and hard to do w/a PC. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead Enjoyed it though. Would buy Kindle or similar if I had the dosh but would never give up books – need them for book-baths #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @CarolyBurnsBass I do, but then again, I feel like I’m reading so fast that I don’t think about it. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @CarolyBurnsBass I would agree. I don’t think any electronic screen does our eyes any favours. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @fannyfae I’m sure BB is working on that given all the iPhone competition. #litchat -1:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae What is more appealing: entering a room lined with books or entering a room with a kindle on a desk? No contest. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 Awesome. I hope you enjoy it! #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 Yes, I would also never give up books. I mostly only enjoy the ipod for reading manuscripts until they become books. #litchat -1:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead @susanmpls agree with that. Always have to print out manuscripts to edit as it feels wrong ‘reading’ them on screen once finished #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar @corb21 You are downloading app for your BB right now? #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @corb21 There’s a version of eReader for Blackberry. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots RT @fannyfae: What is more appealing: entering a room lined with books or entering a room with a kindle on a desk? No contest. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| sandara_bc #litchat I understand that the Kindle screen is not illuminated, so it should be much easier on the eyes than reading computer screen. -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw If the author is new to me, I’ll buy the cheaper book on Kindle. If I enjoyed the book, I might go buy it. #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @fannyfae What’s better: dusting all those books or a Kindle. LOL #litchat -1:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find them more appealing. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw I always buy the books by my favorite authors since I’m guaranteed to love them and read them over again. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @fannyfae Books, definitely! #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @TwinkleChar no, the kindle for ipod touch app…. I would DL a BB app if I knew where to get it. #litchat -1:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein #litchat @fannyfae Yeah, but that implies the value of books is to be seen, not read. Seems wrong. -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @fannyfae I agree with that for sure! I love books and shopping for books, etc. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| doart @LitChat everyone urges me to get a Kindle, but I worry that I’ll feel “lost” without pages to feel to judge my placement #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find ebooks more appealing. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Q2 fm @mdbenoit Do you read strictly on your Reader? If no, when do you use it? #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat And my bookcases won’t change formats over the years so that my books become unreadable. #litchat -1:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks I dont mind the dusting. At least I know I can read in the tub! #litchat I saw a sanyo reader that ‘s much nicer than Kindle -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw I like the more intimate setting of reading/opening a book, and curling up. #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw I agree with that!! : ) RT @latta: when they put ‘#book smell in a can’ like ‘new car smell’ i might find ebooks more appealing. #litchat -1:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @BenRubinstein The value of books is both. I constantly refer to my books – and books have value. Do kindle files have as much? #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw I think ebooks are great to help you discover new authors without shelling out a lot of money. #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots RT @kashicat: None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead rt kashicat: None of my books will have to be repurchased because my bookcase crashes. Ha! #litchat -1:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @_decode_ That’s definitely true. I find reading from a book in a quiet place therapeutic too! #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar I “ruin” my real book just right. Crimp pages. Write in front matter. Argue in margins. Sigh, star, underline, highlight .. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Attention bathtub/beach readers: I have two words for you. Ziploc bag #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead rt kashicat: And my bookcases won’t change formats over the years so that my books become unreadable. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @zumayabooks I’ll take dusting my books over a Kindle any day. #litchat -1:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ RT I think ebooks are great to help you discover new authors without shelling out a lot of money. #litchat << s’all I do w them. -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| MoriahJovan @zumayabooks ROFLMAO!! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @corb21 No. Ebooks and Ereaders are cool, I’ll admit. But, I don’t believe books will become extinct at all. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks So, why are all of y’all anti-ebook folks here, again? 😉 #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead they’ve already put book smell into a can! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @zumayabooks Don’t want to put my books in a condom just to read them. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @pussreboots I’d rather dust a Sony Reader or the BeBook, myself. There ARE other readers out there, gang! #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 I just don’t understand paying $400 for a Kindle then $10/book when the paperback is only $15.95 to start with. #litchat -1:27 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @corb21 What about when the paperback is only $6.99? #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pussreboots HAHAHAHAHAHA! If anything’s worth RTing, that is! #litchat -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat confession: printed first e book I bought and read loose pgs. price is barrier, if readers were $100 or less then I’d buy. -1:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| foliosociety The smell of old books in a can, ❤ http://bit.ly/QBxtc #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @westofmars that just furthers my point. #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @charliechap YES. I agree 100% #litchat -1:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae When the Kindle is less $$, less trendy, less of a status symbol, less proprietary, then maybe I will consider it. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @Miranda_WHTLaw I agree about discovering new authors. And I imagine readers would be handier on vacation or other trips too. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @corb21 People want books they can reread without storing. For some, the value is reading, not clutter/eyecandy #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw Agreed! RT @charliechap: I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @WestofMars what would you recc for ebook $$? #litchat -1:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein I think “tomes” lining walls are just as much of a status symbol as a kindle. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @corb21 My e-book is priced at $4.99 for a reason. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar When traveling, book handy in my BB would be nice–and light.Thought about trying it just to have my own book for easy reference #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead technological advances are exciting. I’d choose a kindle etc if travelling in place of a number of books. Kindle in bath? Never #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @WestofMars Agreed. I have no problem reading things on my laoptop in eBook format. #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I’m not anti-ebook at all. Everyone has their preference. I also don’t think you’ll see 1st edition ebooks being collected. 8) #litchat -1:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| nicole_miller @LitChat Q1 I have a Kindle & I think the text design is great. It’s adjustable & readable. Also FAB to read with one hand on train #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @fannyfae There are other e-readers that fit the bill. Looked at any of them yet? #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein definitely. and piles of books at home or office are a fashion statement of sorts. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @BenRubinstein Actually where I live, they are good insulation in the winter. 😉 #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @WestofMars We’re working 2 figureout ebook pricing. But how not to ruin author’s royalties? Books aren’t overly lucrative as it is #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw @kashicat Oh yes. I enjoy discovering new authors and adding them to my ‘list’ of authors from whom I’ll always buy books. #litchat -1:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CharleneEbert @charliechap I like the smell of books #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @BenRubinstein Yet maybe not status symbol in same way. I take comfort on depressed days from looking at my books on shelves. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar @Corb21 Thank you, kind sir. Hear author APPLAUDING! #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @WestofMars I have seen the Sanyo. That 1 is ok. #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @rebeccawoodhead #litchat Not even if Kindle was waterproof? Dropping paperback = disaster, dropping waterproof e-reader = NBD. -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Q3 fm @George9Writer What’s the best way to give your e-book away for free? #litchat -1:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @corb21 I make a better royalty on my e-book from Lulu than anywhere else except hard copy bought directly from me. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat One tradition will be lost if it’s only readers: author book signings! Or people will have to carry autograph bks again #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| nicole_miller Q2: I read on my reader when I don’t have a choice. I’ll buy to the reader, but if I’m given a physical book, I guess I’ll switch…#litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I do, however, see that printed books will inevitably decline as new generations adopt technology. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| nicole_miller Q3: umm… why would anyone give away their reader? as a promotional item? haha #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @npilon I would never trust a piece of electronics to be waterproof. #litchat -1:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| insidebooks @LitChat Q3 I thought the Burnt Shadows 24 hr download was a great free giveaway that seemed to have worked. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| seekzpeace RT @charliechap I can see the value of ebooks and Kindle. I just enjoy the feel of a book. Feels like words and not data. #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @corb21 That is the other issue. Amazon is not overly generous on author cuts for eBooks #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| nicole_miller Q2: I read on my reader unless I don’t have a choice. I’ll buy to the reader, but if given a physical book, I guess I’ll switch…#litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @npilon It would have to be waterproof for sure. No electrocution in the bath! #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @charliechap from looking at the current younger generations thrilled at checking out books at library… books are alive and well #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| alonelyargonaut @BenRubinstein I would agree but there is a tactile browsability and indexibility with print books that is irreproducable digitally #litchat -1:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @fannyfae Amazon isn’t overly generous to authors on ANY sales. Print or e-. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @pussreboots yes ppl will always read print books. it’s a perfect technology. #litchat -1:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @pussreboots I’m happy for that! Do you think given the option of getting a free reader and digital library access would be same? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @pussreboots But is that because they haven’t been given the option to read onscreen? #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kariannebgilje RT @LitChat Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw 🙂 I love the smell of new books. #litchat -1:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @WestofMars You know, I was going to say that but I didn’t want to start an argument by those who thought otherwise! 😉 #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @alonelyargonaut No, I disagree. With metadata available instantly, digital books are more indexable/searchable/interconnected. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @pussreboots Just asked my kid: choose between same book on puter or an actual book., He chose book. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein but is that more useful for fiction or nonfiction? does ebook use/interest vary by genre? #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @charliechap I don’t know. Young kids really like illustrations and tactile experiences when reading. #litchat -1:38 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat As records person I’m horrified to know that a mere 3 generations of technology change us’ly renders 4th-back generation unreadable #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I just remember the evolution of calculators. Now every school child has one. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae When Kindle can get me a translation of Cortilz de Sandras’ “Memoirs of M. Le Comte de Rochefort” – then we’ll talk #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Miranda_WHTLaw RT @_decode_: @Miranda_WHTLaw 🙂 I love the smell of new books. #litchat [Me too!! I thought I was weird to think that. lol] -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @BenRubinstein When that technology is turned on. A lot of online books aren’t indexed except for brief previews. #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila Hi everyone! Just popping in. No ebook yet for me, in Europe they’re less successful (no kindle yet) but I could get used to it #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @fannyfae What were you going to agree with? The royalties from Amazon or kids and e-books? #litchat -1:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I do think there’s more of a sense of “ownership” when you hold something tangible that ebooks will never replace. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT @bostonbibliophl: @BenRubinstein but is that more useful for fiction or nonfiction? does ebook use/interest vary by genre? #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @bostonbibliophl Interesting point! And I’m not sure! Seems more useful for nonfiction, which isn’t as popular yet in ebook, true. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @charliechap My children don’t use calculators. Not allowed yet. #litchat -1:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl w/ebooks, what about evolution of technology? if kindle superceded, do I keep books? do i have to buy again? print is mine forever. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @bostonbibliophl #litchat the genre I read most in ebook form is scifi… old back issues of FSF when they are made available. -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| alonelyargonaut @BenRubinstein i’ll grant you indexable, but browsable. there is more fluidity in a book from a shelf and thumbing through it #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @BenRubinstein academics/scholars might like ebooks for fiction for that reason though. general reader, not so sure. #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @charliechap nearly everything I read is on ebook but I still have a small collection of print books 🙂 There’s room for both #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat I’m still not sure what people do when ereader crashes. Do they have all these books backed up somewhere? Or have to repurchase? #litchat -1:41 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @bostonbibliophl Agreed. Print is mine forever =) #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @WestofMars Mine know how to use a calculator but they do their math homework w/ pencil / paper and fingers #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Nobilis @LitChat @George9Writer The best way to give your e-book away for free depends on what your goals are in giving it. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae Also, when they can get me the scholarly sources I need in Egyptology for ex. – not mainstream , then maybe I wil get one. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar @PennyAsh. Yes. Yes. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitHousewife @bostonbibliophl This is the same issue with music as technology changes. #litchat I don’t think there are any answers. -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @charliechap and we already know there are problems w/amazon and access. what’s the next problem going to be? #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pussreboots @charliechap I know ReadSmart is working to maintain integrity of design, which Kindle throws out the window… #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @kashicat Most ebook vendors store purchases in online library. Available whenever desired. #litchat -1:42 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @LitHousewife my answer is not to buy ebooks 🙂 #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ #litchat I use a kindle app on my Ipod Touch, and another book reader. -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Bear in mind, most ebook limitations result from DRM requirements imposed by PUBLISHERS not ebook vendors. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @LitHousewife libraries have been dealing w/these questions for years. now general public faces them too. interesting. #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Q4 fm corb21 Has anyone used/heard of ReadSmart for iphon/ipod touch? #litchat -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @BrooksSigler hey, #litchat is happening on ebooks right now… join us? -1:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar @zumayabooks. Same with audible.com Once I buy, I can download in lots of formats, and it’s always in my online library. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks So you just download them over again, free of charge? #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila If I could choose I’d read non-fiction on ebook format and my favorite novels on paper #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| sandara_bc @kashicat Oops forgot #litchat. Kindle keeps a record so you can recover lost data. -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @PennyAsh I agree. There is room for both. Why buy another device when I have a laptop? #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh #litchat Also do all my ebook reading on the laptop, don’t own a reader -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @kashicat Yes. In fact, you can’t get rid of them even if you want to. LOL #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I do see a great potential for a reader that incorporates sounds, music, animation, etc. to enhance the reading experience. #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead @coolrewards join in the chat on #litchat – follow on the hashtag search page -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @fannyfae Exactly #litchat -1:44 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots RT @fannyfae: @PennyAsh I agree. There is room for both. Why buy another device when I have a laptop? #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @zumayabooks I disagree. Kindle RUINS many of our books’ designs, NOT something we WANT to happen, can’t be helped with formating #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks @sandara_bc I suppose then we’d just have to make sure vendor never went out of business. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BrooksSigler @corb21 I’m here! I’m trying to write, too–now you know why I want to primal scream. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @kashicat Even if the books go out of print, your purchased copy remains available. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @llunalila I’m just the opposite, I want my research books in paper #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| unbridledbooks RT @LitChat: Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -1:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @sandara_bc But will Kindle eventually pull an iTunes and have your content expire? #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein Ugh, imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I read ebooks on my PC all the time. Again, NOT anti-eBook! Preference is book first, then ebook =) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar @pussreboots Because not handy in crowded places. Don’t alway shave laptop with. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @LitChat I don’t own either iphone or itouch… (Q4) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae I have Audio books on my iPod – I listen while driving. That is useful technology. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @BrooksSigler well you can write your next book straight to e. (can you believe that sentence makes sense?) #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @corb21 Oy. Ain’t that the formatting truth. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks The driving element for ebooks is content NOT design. Complaining about loss of prettiness misses the point. #litchat -1:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks As long as vendor still exists, yes? #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @TwinkleChar That’s where the old handy dandy book comes in. I leave my lap top at home. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae Itunes, once you download something, it is YOUR responsibility to back it up. And if your HD or your iPod goes out not their prob. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @westofmars ebooks could put designers out of jobs… straight text just isn’t the same… #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| George9Writer @Nobilis giving away for free (all or part) for maximum exposure #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat Not against ebooks, but I know how changes in technology lose data, as records person. But I can still read 200-yr old bks. #litchat -1:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @PennyAsh I tend to do most of my research online, or if I can’t I type the info I need to use, to have it on my computer when need #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @zumayabooks it’s not a minor point sometimes. browse rare bkstore & tell me it’s no loss to lose beauty & design. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @BenRubinstein Only once publishers figure out copyright issues #litchat (re nonfiction online indexing) -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BrooksSigler Did someone mention that book FREE, yet? #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @kashicat The same could be said for print library, which could disappear in fire, flood, or tornado. Can nitpick issue to death. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitHousewife @bostonbibliophl Technology is certainly a double-edged sword. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae So what about putting a book in Adobe format? I mean the program isnt that expensive & distribution can be easier. #litchat -1:48 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @zumayabooks Heard the same thing about websites and blogs and yet there are still web designers paid to make both look pretty. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat OK, so I cd see ebooks for sheer content. Reports, encyclopedias, data that’s just there for utilitarian use, not for art. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @zumayabooks but if losing the design loses part of the charm/meaning/emphasis of the book you’re stripping the reader of that #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @bostonbibliophl Not the point. Repeat: reading ebooks is CONTENT-DRIVEN. Not about design or aesthetics. Comparison isn’t valid. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass @zumayabooks I think the e-text debate goes beyond design, but readability and eye strain because of screen flicker. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 copyright issues are a HUGE factor in how ebooks get out. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @llunalila I use some pretty obscure research books but I notice more and more are available as ebooks #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots RT @bostonbibliophl: it’s not a minor point sometimes. browse rare bkstore & tell me it’s no loss to lose beauty & design. #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| dolbsterthepoet I love the way a book feels in my hands, how it sits on your shelf/desk reminding you to read it Ebooks lack this but I do use them #litchat -1:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @zumayabooks It’s not just prettiness that gets lost with transfer to Kindle. I lost punctuation and words. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @zumayabooks exactly and that is what for me makes it so bland and boring. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @corb21 Then don’t do that book as an ebook. Why does everyone seem determined it has to be either/or instead of and? #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks True, tho electronics crash more often than apts (or libraries) burn down. I’d always want paper to back up ebook heh #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @fannyfae PDFs are my favorite format for ebooks. Because they can be made to look like print form and can be printed. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @Miranda_WHTLaw Definitely not! It’s so much fun. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks Yes, a library can disappear Last yr in Cedar Rapids, IA the library lost some 290K books. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @corb21 What sort of design are you talking? I can see lots of room for clever page design and layout on a good e-reade3r. #litchat -1:50 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @zumayabooks you don’t always know what’s going to get lost in translation until it happens. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @pussreboots I use a pda for reading out in the world 🙂 Carry my whole library with me #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| EmLocke RT @BenRubinstein Imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| dolbsterthepoet It’s really strange but I can’t listen to audiobooks, nothing sinks in and I don’t engage with the plot #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @PennyAsh Mine have been pretty mainstream so far. This new project is asking for further research, don’t know yet what will need #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @WestofMars That’s bad submission document formatting. Not Kindle’s fault. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @westofmars yes, I agree, sorry, I’m talking print designers. The two don’t always overlap. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks It was the worst library loss in the history of the US and they dont even have a complete lest of what they lost. #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @zumayabooks Yep lost my entire library twice in floods #litchat -1:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| mmj5170 @zumayabooks I agree. I see a split for at least the near future. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| macmillacademic RT @BenRubinstein Imagine the power of indexes in nonfiction ebooks after they evolve a bit! Glorious linking to everywhere/thing! #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| sandara_bc @WestofMars #litchat That, I don’t know. -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks If you don’t want to read ebooks, don’t read them. The ebooks bad/print good debate is done. Move on. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @dolbsterthepoet I tune out audio books too. #litchat -1:52 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat Took us more than 5 yrs. to sort out rights info for digi bks. & 4+ yrs to scan it all (still in progress). takes $ and time. -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @PennyAsh I don’t need to carry my whole library with me. I only have time for ONE book at a time. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pennyash @zumayabooks if your apt floods or burns down with your kindle in it…you’re loosing that too #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat I’d still like to know what people think of fact that it only takes 3 generations of tech change to make 4th generation unreadable. #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Audiobooks are best on long drives by yourself, that’s what got me hooked #litchat -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| rebeccawoodhead @coolrewards books ARE a thing of beauty. Collected books 200yrs+ from my teens. Get on #litchat. They love book fans -1:53 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| thumbelinablues @BenRubinstein Both take disposable income (=sexy), but only tomes take up real estate; space to waste in NYC=status(=shaggable) #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks Apparently it’s not done for some of us. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Great convo going on today. Looks like ebooks are on the rise, but traditionally printed books are still cherished. Continue on… #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| sandara_bc #litchat I travel a lot. M/home full of books – plane ride with pounds of books – e-books have great appeal, just o/c the weight facor. -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @pennyash I lost quite a few books in a basement flood, including some rare scifi. Still pains me! #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @mmj5170 Yes, but that was Egyptian history. 😉 #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @corb21 Yes, but I can then buy another Kindle/eBookwise/Sony/Palm and not have to replace the books. #litchat -1:54 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat I don’t think it’s either/or. It’s just that electronic data is much easier to lose as technology keeps developing. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| skyladawn RT: @zumayabooks: If you don’t want to read ebooks, don’t read them. The ebooks bad/print good debate is done. Move on. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @rebeccawoodhead I love everything from comic books to ebooks and audiobooks and back again #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| bostonbibliophl @sandara_bc that’s something i can get behind! #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WestofMars @zumayabooks I’m not the only person who’s faced it. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Ebooks are content that is eminently portable. If your main goal is reading, they’re an excellent alternative, esp. for the mobile. #litchat -1:55 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots RT @kashicat: I don’t think it’s either/or. It’s just that electronic data is much easier to lose as technology keeps developing. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks There are equally good reasons for print books, and both formats have advantages over the other. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| nicole_miller @LitChat Do I have to bring out the old analogy of folks not wanting to give up their horses either? geez… #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass @fannyfae Many ebooks are already available in Adobe PDF and can be downloaded to computers and readers. #litchat -1:56 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks People have been reading ebooks, some of them to the exclusion of print books, for more than a decade. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT @zumayabooks: There are equally good reasons for print books, and both formats have advantages over the other. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @charliechap I’m slowly building back up. I think my out of print archeology books grieve me the most #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @nicole_miller Good analogy. It costs thousands of bucks to replace vehicles too, as new technology develops. #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @pennyash Ouch! #litchat -1:57 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks And then there is the fact that ebooks can be more accessible for those with certain disabilities. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @zumayabooks don’t think either is bad. Just serve dif purposes depending on reader. To me they mean ease of use & less weight #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @pussreboots But what if you’re not in the mood to read that book and want something else 🙂 #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| balletbookworm #litchat lurking a bit today; I’d be more interested in ebooks if there was a way to put currently owned paper books on it (a la iPod) -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 I think publishers are in a bit of a conundrum as they don’t want to see books go down, but ebooks are (or seem to be) a threat #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks I have post-polio syndrome, and holding up a heavy book gets painful after a while. Not so with my Kindle/Palm/eBookwise. #litchat -1:58 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @PennyAsh It;s the rare and hard2 find 1’s that are hardest to lose. I have some that there may be just a few copies in the world #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta but what about protection of intellectual property rights for authors? ebook piracy has increased incrementally w/popularity & tool #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT @zumayabooks: And then there is the fact that ebooks can be more accessible for those with certain disabilities. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @PennyAsh that should be really painful! Sorry! I’d be mad at loosing any of my books, so out of prints would be terrible 😦 #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @corb21 In a flood toss it in the purse and get out. In a fire just run, most ebooks are still downloadable after you buy #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls @balletbookworm if pub offered free e edition of a print bk you own wld you download it? no idea how to implement, tho #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 I agree that both formats have legs, but it’s putting a lot of people in a frenzy and some companies out of business #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @pussreboots #litchat I think it’s only a matter of time. Look at digital watches. Considerably cheaper, but… -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh Heh. So you have 2 or 3 books with you. 😛 #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @corb21 I don’t think publishers see ebooks as a threat. Publishers sell lots of ebooks! Only if more self-pub because of ebooks. #litchat -1:59 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @latta YES! That’s one of the biggest problems! #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae And the chance of them EVER being made into an ebook format are slim to none. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Pirates won’t buy books. People who obtain from pirates won’t buy books. Returns get pulped. Loss is loss. #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| brandingdavid @kashicat So what kind of formats should my book be in? And what’s a good self-printing service? #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks My reading aunt, who also had the post-polio problem, would have loved ebooks, I think #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @llunalila One of the reasons I try to store my important books highest #litchat -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ #litchat Okay, I’m back. Was participating in a radio chat. -2:00 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @benrubinstein working in a publishing house I can see why its’ viewed as a threat, there’s little to be made for the pub and auth #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks You factor in a percentage to cover it, keep an eye out for the ones you can catch & assume majority of people in world r honest. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| balletbookworm @susanmpls #litchat don’t know if I would, for sure, but I might be more interesting in getting ereader, etc, also not sure about logistics -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| coolrewards #litchat Our lovely inner-city school library has a 1st Edition Harry Potter – Phil Stone. We would love to be able to show it. -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @susanmpls Only if that publisher made it accss’bl to me through the tech I currently own. #litchat -2:01 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @fannyfae Are you sure? Are they of the sort that might end up in the Google Library program? #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh I don’t really think fire/flood is good argt (even tho I used). They’re so rare, whole philosophy shouldn’t be based on #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @charliechap Lost a few of my stories too #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 it’s the potential to replicate content, theiving e-rights and royalties. Yes, we have similar issues in print, but it’s harder. #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass As a writer, I constantly remind myself that I write the content for books in the form of stories and articles. —> more #litchat -2:02 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @corb21 I work in a pub. house too, and we try to recognize that you adapt & change models. No use in fear & twiddle thumbs. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| CarolyBurnsBass —> cont. The content I write can be turned into a book in any form, but the content is not the book. #litchat -2:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| George9Writer For #litchat E-Book Lovers … Get My Book For FREE this month on SMASHWORDS! *Multiple Formats* http://tinyurl.com/lfchjq -2:03 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @brandingdavid Oh boy. Heh. Well, some publishers see success of ebooks & pick up to publish in paper. So it works both ways. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| redRavine QM: Catching up. Useful info. RT @LitChat: Here is a link to a terrific comparison chart for ebook readers: http://bit.ly/2veshD. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Pirates were scanning print books and making them available on Usenet in 1996. Not as if it hasn’t been going on at full tilt since #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @fannyfae #litchat Those are the ones you store as safely as possible and insure, I have stamps like that -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| dolbsterthepoet @PennyAsh might give that a try next time I have a long drive in front of me #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat This is such a strong topic, please continue as long as you wish. Am learning quite a bit thanks to all of you. #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks Yes. Very sure. Egyptology bks are VERY expensive, and very specialised and there isnt enough itnerest by eBbook pubs #litchat -2:04 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein There is “replicated content” in print & no one cares. Called “loaning to a friend.” #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @latta It’s not just ebooks, I’ve seen print books come out on the pirate groups a week before they come out in print #litchat -2:05 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar Pub wouldn’t send electronic copy to author for endorsement purposes, saying too easy to pirate. Pubs here, pls weigh in. #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| publishingworks @BenRubinstein Yes, publishers need to pursue different media for sales, but corb21 is right about lower p.m. for pubs #litchat #litchat -2:06 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae And by the time Google gets it, its public domain and clearly out of date material. #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @susanmpls Baen books does this with their online library. Some great books too #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta @pennyash actually i have seen quite a bit of data on the subject. prior to rapid increase in popularity of ebk format was trivial #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @BenRubinstein it’s not the same, when you loan it to a friend, you can’t read it at same time. Or you don’t loan it to 50 friends #litchat -2:07 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @benrubinstein I’m not talking about loaning, I’m talking about pirating. There’s always a share factor…it’s called libraries. #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat But what if you can’t carry them all 😛 It evens out 🙂 #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @BenRubinstein and lending is a way to create readers, not to destroy books 🙂 #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pennyash… that’s what I’m talking about, WAY easier to pirate e-content. It creates a fear mainly in authors… #litchat -2:08 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @fannyfae Wasn’t my question. If they’re the sort likely to be in university libraries, it’s likely they’ll be scanned. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @llunalila @benrubinstein I agree, lending is good. Undercutting sales and robbing royalties are bad. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @fannyfae Would then be available via Google if settlement is approved. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta when scanning was done it was largely in flat text and time consuming, and had to be read on pc. piracy now in next gen due to pop. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh Hee! I really don’t get bored with a current book or change books that quickly on one trip. So not an issue for me. #litchat -2:09 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @benrubinstein I agree that adapting is good. We’re moving to ebooks some too, but there is a fear out there esp w. authors #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @llunalila #litchat So? Why does it matter that I can loan it to a friend while I’m still reading it? That would boost sales. -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I have a taiwan printed copy of Stranger in a Strange Land printed in the 70s. Pirating takes many forms. #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat How about this argt, ebooks are getting people to read who wouldn’t pick up a print book. I say there’s a place for both #litchat -2:10 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| publishingworks Our goal is to keep people reading and buying books in any form. #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks Would that not be a violation of copyright the same as say a photocopy of a book? #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @corb21 #litchat These would be the same libraries that were going to destroy the publishing industry? “Why buy when you can borrow”, yes? -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @npilon to me it doesn’t matter, I love sharing and talk about books all the time but I can understand the fear from piracy #litchat -2:11 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta don’t think folks suggesting mutual exclusivity. growing pains and new legal issues make for thorny path, and compromises for all. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| TwinkleChar This author has no fear. Pub house had fear of sending requested e-file to possible endorser (traveling), siting possible piracy. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @zumayabooks Exactly, pirates will pirate any way they can (been pirated 3 times I know of) #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh I agree with you there. I just worry, as I’ve said, about loss of data after 4 generations of tech change. It happens. #litchat -2:12 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks I confess, I hv a copy of a book that I shouldn’t have but I needed it for my research. If you want it u’l get it. #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @llunalila #litchat I can understand the fear, but I think it has no basis in fact. I think it’s destructive. Piracy is a paper tiger. -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ #litchat Re: buy vs borrow: If we’re talking regular books? If it’s an author I’m not sure I’ll like, I borrow. Once I’ve read some, I buy -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Helped me when I was moving and had 5 hour drives each way #litchat -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @kashicat #litchat Lots of examples of loss of digital data. Formats and storage media have to be picked very carefully when archiving. -2:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @llunalila Maybe getting ahead of ourselves. Book piracy isn’t “destroying books.” Like music (iTunes) distrib/sales models exist #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks RT @publishingworks: Our goal is to keep people reading and buying books in any form. [Exactly!!] #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @fannyfae Not always, had a friend involved in the Google Books lawsuit, his book was only a few months old #litchat -2:14 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @PennyAsh Google Books? #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @corb21 If book is good, enough reader will look for other books by same author, or to own his copy #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap Yes, there is room for any medium. Look at photography and how it’s changed. #litchat -2:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @npilon Exactly my pt. I’ve seen warehouses of data tossed (literally lost) bec tech changes made them unreadable even when careful #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein Note, “napster” happened because no legal way to fill that demand, not because people wouldn’t pay #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| LitChat Q5 fm @susanmpls What would readers think a pub destroying last copy of a book to scan and republish in electronic form? #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Google book settlement gives Google authority to offer for sale downloads of books in database. Already do it with Book Search. #litchat -2:16 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @llunalila This is very true. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @npilon the libraries at least buy a book, host events…I don’t think ebooks will “ruin the industry” but changes are major #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ brb everyone a #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks Baen understood that free can lead to sales, hence the huge success of the Baen Library. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @charliechap Yet there are those who mourn loss of artistic forms that can’t possibly ever be reproduced digitally #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae Napster actually incited me to buy more CD’s rather than less. #litchat -2:17 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 Google somehow is currently allowed 2 create “cache” files of whole books, strip passwords to allow everyone in…there are holes #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks If get past the mindset of wringing every dime out of every copy, then the pirate menace loses much of its scariness. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap I would say NO WAY. Destroy the Dead Sea Scrolls to make them digital? Nope. #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @latta Dunno, I do remember seeing the Bill Clinton book out on pirate boards a week before it’s official release in print #litchat -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat I work for a univ press & we have 1,431 bks avail in eformat to libraries. our print biz has not been hurt by that. -2:18 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks Gives Google “Authority”? Are authors ok with that or are these public domain books? #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @llunalila YES. that’s what we want to happen. #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| llunalila @LitChat Q5 at least that would be a way for anyone to read that book otherwise nobody could, or only few chosen ones #litchat -2:19 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks @fannyfae 140 characters insufficient to explain. Lots of references online. Just…Google it. LOL #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT @charliechap: I would say NO WAY. Destroy the Dead Sea Scrolls to make them digital? Nope. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| redRavine QM: Sorry I missed this today. RT @LitChat: Looks like ebooks are on the rise, but traditionally printed books are still cherished. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT @zumayabooks: If get past mindset of wringing every dime out of every copy, then the pirate menace loses much of its scariness. #litchat -2:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks On the other hand, if there’s a digital copy, disaster befalling Dead Sea Scrolls would be slightly less painful. #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @charliechap But have you seen that British Library thing where Codex Sinaiticus is being unified digitally? So cool!! #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @corb21 Pirates are going to pirate whatever they can get their hands on, I can’t stop it so I deal with it #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @zumayabooks I will do that. #litchat -2:21 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| zumayabooks With technology improvements, no longer necessary to damage work to scan it. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @fannyfae Many independent musicians actually did get *more* sales bc of Napster, not less, & were horrified it got shut down. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat I read very fast 🙂 have to in my profession 🙂 #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 @pennyash that’s true. But I know many of our authors are in major fear of ebooks making it that much easier for them. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @zumayabooks Many publishers now offer free ebooks of author’s last bk, as promo for next one. That’s really working too. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @PennyAsh Then I’ll just have to wait and put a different book in my purse when I get home. No big deal. #litchat -2:22 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat Maybe room for a whole new profession of data updaters? #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| corb21 Setting the record straight, I am ok with ebooks. I’m still in favor of print, but agree that we must adapt as an industry. #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| pussreboots @npilon Watches and books are apples and oranges. #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @_decode_ Google’s online book project to put every book online for people to read #litchat -2:23 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat @charliechap What if it weren’t the dead sea scrolls but something like Snelling’s Tales of the NorthWest pub’d in 1936? -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @dolbsterthepoet Linda Howard Alone was a good one, The Mummy – Anne Rice is good too #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @kashicat EXACTLY! free DLs help everyone but MEGA BLOCKBUSTERS that only get DLed by people who wouldn’t have bought in 1st place #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @kashicat Yes & I could get long out of print music that way. It seemed so stupid to shut it down – then in comes iTunes. #litchat -2:24 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh As records person, I often thought of getting together one of ea. old technology, so data wdn’t be lost. If I had $$ #litchat -2:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| BenRubinstein @corb21 Yeah, there are statistics you can research that show giveaways help. If stats don’t help… good luck :-p #litchat -2:25 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| latta here is what a major university press has to say about the goog case http://bit.ly/afstB; perhaps it’ll help the conversation #litchat -2:26 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @corb21 Not as many as you’d think. Most just turn it over to their publisher’s legal team #litchat -2:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @kasikat Yep. Love that stuff. As long as it can be digitized in a non-destructible way, I’m down =) #litchat -2:28 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| WifeofWriter ::grin:: RT: There is “replicated content” in print & no one cares. Called “loaning to a friend.” #litchat (via @BenRubinstein) -2:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat And there’s the biggest problem, it all comes down to $$ #litchat -2:30 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @charliechap Yes. I’m all for digitally preserving rare or disappearing things; I’d never argue against anything like that #litchat -2:31 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap For those wanting to create PDFs, free PDF software. Very nice: http://bit.ly/v6IF0 #litchat -2:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @PennyAsh Doesn’t everything come down to $$ sooner or later? <g> Something wrong with that. But a whole other conversation, ha! #litchat -2:32 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat @kashicat do you have data on free digi copy of last volume as promo for new bk actually helping sales? -2:33 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @kashicat LOL yep $$ and the lack thereof #litchat -2:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @susanmpls No I don’t. Perhaps I shouldn’t have assumed, just because so many publishers are doing it. #litchat -2:34 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| fannyfae @charliechap Thanks for the PDF link. My Adobe creator is a bit old. 😉 #litchat -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| George9Writer #litchat Literature, artifacts printed on paper,parchment,vellum etc MUST be digitized, as they will not last forever & are part of culture -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @ThaBookie It’d put me to sleep 😀 Much rather read the new China Meiville #litchat -2:35 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| charliechap @fannyfae Happy to be of service! 8) #litchat -2:36 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat RT@George9Writer: #litchat Liter, artifacts on paper,parchment,vellum etc MUST be digitized, will not last forever & part of culture -2:37 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| _decode_ @PennyAsh Oh. Hmm. #litchat -2:39 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @George9Writer #litchat Artifacts printed on paper have a better success rate at long-term archival than digital right now. -2:40 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @npilon So perhaps we should do both paper and digital archiving, to cover all the bases. 🙂 #litchat -2:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| slkeeth @LitChat Guess it depends on what book it is. Can you not scan w/o destroying? #litchat -2:43 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls #litchat @slkeeth you can scan w/o destroying a book, but it costs more. -2:45 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| PennyAsh @slkeeth For somthing like dead Sea Scrolls they photograph then scan those #litchat -2:46 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls @kashicat some places to both paper and digi archiving. JSTOR, for instance. #litchat -2:47 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| susanmpls @kashicat some places do both paper and digi archiving. JSTOR, for instance. #litchat -2:49 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| kashicat @susanmpls Hee! I knew what you meant despite the typo. (Though I’d have done the same.) #litchat -2:51 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| SueCookcom Just back from lively debate about my new novel ‘Force of Nature’ at great bookshop called ‘Jaffe and Neale’ at Chipping Norton #litchat -3:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Nobilis @George9Writer #litchat I don’t know what you mean by “exposure”. -3:13 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Nobilis @npilon #litchat All archiving takes energy and effort. Digital archiving takes less, per unit of data, than paper does. -3:15 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| Nobilis @npilon #litchat The .txt format is just as readable now as it ever was. What’s the problem? -3:20 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
| npilon @Nobilis #litchat Archiving ebooks as text once they start taking advantage of the medium. Things like graphics, links don’t translate well. -3:29 PM Jul 1st, 2009 |
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